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The Resistance: Order of Socrates Restores Order
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nicnic
nicnic
Battered Shoe

Jun-18-2012 11:08

Once again, turmoil is brewing in the underground crime world of New York. The city is slowly being taken over by La Cosa Nostra, the New York underground mafia. They are recruiting members at record numbers and they can be seen in every night club and bar scaring away customers. And now Joseph Hollis, the High Philosopher of the Order of Socrates, and mayor of New York, has learned of a secret plan by his rival faction, La Cosa Nostra, to go on a crime spree and make off with money, valuables, and ultimate control of various establishments in New York.

Mr. Hollis, being not only concerned with the livelihoods of the patrons of his city, but also with his rival faction gaining too much power, has decided to put together a team of trusted Order of Socrates resistance operatives to foil the plans of La Cosa Nostra. Unfortunately, there has been a lot of attrition lately, and certain people have been going to the highest bidder to offer their services as a spy working from within the Order of Socrates. Joseph is aware of this and he's put together the best possible team he can think of, but unwittingly will be inviting some spies for La Cosa Nostra to his team of operatives.

As long as the loyal Order of Socrates operatives can figure out whom amongst them is untrustworthy, their mission should be a success. But if they trust the wrong people, La Cosa Nostra will succeed and cause severe damage to the New York economy, while gaining enough power to take over the city.

Will the mayor and his team be able to restore order to New York? Or will the underground mafia, take over the city's resources? That's for you to decide in this version of The Resistance: Order of Socrates Restores Order


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Eden Zweig
Eden Zweig
Nomad

Jun-29-2012 12:25

lol I know that Marc, Biggie, Ms Helen and Jason are spies. So everyone else is Resistance and Cek is one of them.

You know I'm having a hard time what makes Biggie's card(the "cause I've seen it" argument) better than Serges'.

I wonder how the fact that Illicit has no idea who we are will make her automatically have an idea of who Biggie and Marc are. Because Biggie seems to imply that Illicit's lack of knowledge perfectly negates the possibility that we are Resistance while perfectly validating that Biggie actually is.

Biggie's points are so pointless. I must repeat what she's implied again : We are allegedly spies who have been in the same team many times, we "somehow" coordinate our votes to the point that we can prevent sabotaging any mission simultaneously until Biggie and Marc are also in the team and then we sabotage it. So we allegedly guessed one another's actions successively for what? 3-4 times?

That's what these guys are saying. I'll repeat that forever. That kind of coordination only happens if two people have played the game with one another for such a long time that this has become one of their strategies and they both know exactly what to do because they have done it before many times to the point of tacit agreement, or maybe even talked about it when there was no game at all.

There's one more thing I'd like to mention. You know Riza hadn't even commented on who she thought were spies the first time she posted a comment, she only spoke of possibilities, and yet they called her a spy, too. They haven't even used an identity card on her.

Now that's a spy knowing exactly who the Resistance people are and proactively accusing one of them of being a spy. If not, ask yourselves why a Resistance would do that.


biggie528
biggie528
Lucky Stiff

Jun-29-2012 12:57

its not about proactively accusing people. Its about process of elimination on my part too, the same way Serges is using it against his proposed team of spies.

I'll explain again:

If Serges and Eden are spies:
Ms Helen is not
Illicit is a wildcard but if I were Serges and Eden, I would accurately describe her allegiance in order to make Illicit think I was on her side
Jason - by my own logic, he shouldn't be. But honestly, the way he checked out the game says to me that he probably is a spy. He's not very good at this game ;)
Molly - I believe her when she says she's resistance because she's playing the game a totally different way than last time. When she WAS a spy. She wouldn't be able to resist the ham
Marc - since I know Serges voted to sabotage the last mission, and Eden would have had to as well, in order to secure the two spies edict, Marc had to have voted success like I did. Hence, he's most likely not a spy.

So that leaves:
Riza
Cek

Its not about evidence of their involvement one way or the other. I believe at least one of those two HAS to be spy.

And Eden, AGAIN I will say, yes its hard to coordinate votes along the lines you've stated. But its not impossible. You both put very good arguments for why you've acted the way you've acted, and you're both intelligent guys. Its not hard to figure out how you were going to vote even before you did. Its deductive reasoning.

No one is this game has any definitive PROOF of anything. So we're all just going by each other's words. I took you guys at your words through the first three missions before realizing I'd been fooled. I just hope the rest of you do. If you don't, I'll thoroughly enjoy the rubbing it in after the game is over ;)

Serges
Serges
Vigilante

Jun-29-2012 13:02

"No one in this game has any definitive PROOF of anything." That's not true.

I have been able to suss out, with guaranteed accuracy, the allegiances of all 10 players, despite NOT having them handed them to me in a PM like you were, Biggie. :)

Serges
Serges
Vigilante

Jun-29-2012 13:02

Also, pulling the "I can't wait to say I told you so when I'm proven right at the end" trick was convincing enough last game, but not this time, my dear.

Ms Helen
Ms Helen
Con Artist

Jun-29-2012 13:14

Anyone else think Biggie and Serges act like an old married couple at times? :)

Eden Zweig
Eden Zweig
Nomad

Jun-29-2012 13:16

"You both put very good arguments for why you've acted the way you've acted, and you're both intelligent guys. Its not hard to figure out how you were going to vote even before you did. Its deductive reasoning. " lol in that case you must be divine intelligence or something:)

Biggie you're abusing the fact that when something's possible say with 5% it is still possible.

Yeah so: that Serges and I have guessed one another's actions 4 times in a row is more probable than you lying?

I think the balance shifts on your side, cause your lies weigh a ton lol.


And no that doesn't leave you with Riza because you have no idea about Molly either. Do you?

So your belief in her is accountable in this game.

And your disbelif in Riza.

Yeah. Why not accuse them at the beginning then, cause practically you don't need anything else other than belief or disbelief.

Biggie believes this and that. That's the argument now?

Because Biggie knows :). Because Biggie has seen Serges' identity.

How about Serges' beliefs about you? Hasn't he used his card on you?

Add that to the chance of successively successful guesses of us alleged spies as team members, you go down.

Eden Zweig
Eden Zweig
Nomad

Jun-29-2012 13:53

(addition: I should make it clear that in the first paragraph with the quote from Biggie, I was only intending to say that that sentence sounded almost paradoxical. Because if, via deduction, Biggie can outsmart the people whose "smart"ness she thinks is the reason they acted the way they did, then their smartness just has no relevance to the game. So we couldn't have been successful, if our actions are predicted beforehand. Anyway this is not a part of the thing we're doing here. I just wanted to make it clear that I didn't mean anything bad :) Just so you know.)

Serges
Serges
Vigilante

Jun-29-2012 14:17

I just got back from lunch, and had time to think about how the rest of the game is going to play out. Resistance players, it's a pretty dangerous situation we're in.

If Helen's mission did get approved, then we've lost.
If it got rejected, then here's where we're at:
3 Resistance players in a row become leaders (Riza, me, Eden), followed by Jason (spy) as the last one to propose a team. If it gets to him, then we lose. So, we need to make sure that at least one of the three proposals in the middle gets passed, knowing that if it's a clean mission, 4 spies will vote it down and only need ONE resistance player to doubt it to force a rejection.

But here's the catch: Marc and Biggie each have NO CONFIDENCE. So, once a clean mission gets passed, one of them votes it down. Then, if the 2nd clean mission gets passed, the other one votes it down. Which means:

Riza, me, and Eden EACH need to propose the same clean team. The spies can't auto-reject that team all 3 times. But the spies know that at this point, ANY shred of doubt will cause them to win. Which is why Biggie and the others are talking in terms of "unsure" and "believe". If they can get any ONE of us to vote on their side in the next 3 missions, then a good team gets voted down, and between Jason's last proposal and their 2 NO CONFIDENCE cards, they will win this game.

The only thing that changes that is the STRONG leader power, but if Molly uses that right after this mission, then the spies just need to NO CONFIDENCE the next 2 resistance-proposed missions, and the last 2 leaders are Marc and Helen (spies), meaning they win. The best time for Molly to use it, if at all, is after my proposal or after Eden's proposal. Either way, the rest of the teams would be proposed by Resistance members, which gives us some breathing room.

If Helen takes her power though, we're (no matter when she uses it) back to needed to approve all 3 resistance-approved teams.

That's where we stand, guys.

nicnic
nicnic
Battered Shoe

Jun-29-2012 14:50

I'm on my phone, but ms helen's mission was rejected. The no votes were serges, eden, cek, molly, riza, illicit.

Riza is up next unless molly uses her strong leader. Also ms. helen you have not taken a card from anyone and you're kinda supposed to do that as soon as you get it. :)


Ms Helen
Ms Helen
Con Artist

Jun-29-2012 14:52

Yes nic dear if you read back I did ask you about that but you moved so swiftly on it got overlooked :P

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