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yoyofoshow
yoyofoshow
Old Shoe

Apr-30-2008 20:36

This is posted in both Noir and SoM.

In sleuth world we have a lot of websites giving advice, acting as web pages for players or agencies. This creates a very hard to navigate community, the wiki would take all that information and put into one website.
For those of you who don't know a wiki is a database that can be edited by anyone, but some measures are in place to stop vandals.
The wiki would allow for the most up to date Sleuth Encyclopedia and will give agencies and users to show what they've got beyond the little spaces we are allowed to edit on our profiles.

I would just like to now if there is an interest for this, before I go ahead and maybe set it up.

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yoyofoshow
yoyofoshow
Old Shoe

May-4-2008 19:45

This decision is getting harder and harder. Some people are telling me to go for it, others are skeptical. I need to think this out. I can see that some people will be unhappy about what may happen to their current websites, and that it may ruin the community and take away individuality. But there are also many benefits to having a wiki. Not sure yet, continue debating :)

lilangel
lilangel
Sleuth About Town

May-4-2008 20:15

Well, I do see the point of the fact that there isn't much on various sites as original. There are differences though. The originality comes from our creativity.

To be frank here, while we tend to rewrite things and whatnot on the sites, even as far as copy and paste, many of us learn the basics of making a website. I'll be darned if any one of us, aside from the select few who know the technical things, would be able to actually mimic the whole game. I see the different websites, some on google pages, some on freewebs, and even as far as aol and wiki (which is what yoyo's wanting to do here) as a good stepping stone to learning the basics of graphical creativity. Some of us are better writers than artists (graphical or not)... and you see some of that going through various sites.

I do agree with what has been said, just find some things sort of ironic. Like how would I be able to have a problem with the information on DPI's site being redistributed once more, IF I had gotten them off another site? Granted, I'm not the only one who updates and edits DPI's site, but I do a lot of work there. I have been working on several more artistic projects than writing at the moment. It's not easy to come up with something unique, but yet at the same time, you want to share what you know, which is the same as what everyone else knows. However, it is easy to copy and paste and call it your own.

ctown28
ctown28
Tireless Tiger

May-4-2008 20:18

I really don't see how it can ruin the community or take anything away from our individual websites. I know my agents and us use ours and we have the trophy room, but how many people really look at the others trophy rooms. My whole purpose of our trophy room is to give accolades to all agents that helped on a TH rather than just the one that got his/her name in City News.

Whatever decision you come to, there will be some that agree and some that disagre, no way to make everyone happy. As I stated earlier, anything we have on our websites is pretty much open game to be copied whether we give consent or not. SS made a good point in hypothetical software has been generous, they are the only ones that could have a legitimate complaint. And there will always be some they claim the work on their site as their own. I know for a fact of some things that I've found for others websites that I have not received credit for, but if I wanted to have said credit it would be on my site. Of course if I put it on my site now I'd be accused of stealing the idea!

Again, I'm not here to have a war over it, I like a good debate as this has been so far, and I hope it continues to be a good debate. I haven't wandered over to SOM to get thoughts over there however. I guess I'll have to do that.


yoyofoshow
yoyofoshow
Old Shoe

May-4-2008 21:34

I would actually like to know what Ben thinks about this.
lil you can check out this sandbox feature if you want to give your hand at wiki coding :http://sandbox.wikidot.com/



Sleuth Admin
Sleuth Admin
Tale Spinner

May-4-2008 22:17

For what it's worth, I think a Sleuth Wiki is a great idea.



kasg52
kasg52
Old Shoe

May-5-2008 22:30

If you don't do it someone else might and it might not be so accurate....

Jojo
Jojo
Old Shoe

May-6-2008 15:14

I have been waiting to weigh in on this one... and I guess now I will...

I'm not opposed to the idea in many facets. Of course I love the idea of being able to help others.

But, of course, I'm not in favor of the idea in many ways. It could take away from much of the need and use of SleuthTips, and I've worked extremely hard on the site. A wiki might push us to have to close, or at least have to move to a free hosting facility, which I would hate to do.

I obviously see the reasoning behind it, but I guess I don't see the reasoning as coming up with a large enough need for it to be created.

For what it's worth, I don't think I can endorse the idea. Count me among the nay's.

shell marple
shell marple
Con Artist

May-6-2008 19:56

This was originally posted by me on Shades of Mystery.

To be honest when I first read your proposal I thought great idea, but as I continued to think upon it my opinions changed as well.
What I am wondering, is there truely enough information to warrant a wiki. Yes it is true that there are many sites for Noir, but most of the sites have much of the same information. And yes each site does have something unique to offer, that is what gives each site it's own identity.

I don't think that a wiki would detract from the agency websites, since I feel the agency websites main purpose is to let others get to know more about the agency and its members. The fact that most agencies also like to give helpful information for its members and the community is an added bonus.

I do think though that a wiki might effect the websites whose main purpose is to give guidence, information and tips. After all there really is not an over abundance of information. And just as in Noir there are only a handful of sites whose main purpose is to give information and guidence.

So in closing I guess I don't really see the need for a wiki.



yoyofoshow
yoyofoshow
Old Shoe

May-7-2008 01:53

Thank you for your opinion Jojo, I was very interested in what you were going to say because of the importance of sleuthtips in the community.

Jesse Hunter
Jesse Hunter
Santa's Little Helper

May-7-2008 06:09

I wouldn't mind a wiki with a bit of a narrowed focus. I would like to see the FM guide remain exclusively with Sleuthtips - and maybe little job answers as well (even though many agencies provide 'em). It's kind of what Jojo's site is known for.

Obviously great caution should be used in revealing spoilers - themes and certain faction related info.

I would love and welcome a history oriented wiki. During my time here I've killed countless hours digging through the message board looking for clues to the development pattern of the game and the community. There's a lot of interesting stuff in there. Grand ideas, conflicts, RL events (SleuthCon!), etc. The wiki could also serve as the "Hall of Fame" for venerated Sleuths and Agencies that have gone by the wayside.

As for agencies, it would be nice to have a list of agency websites. I think those sites would actually get more exposure that way, since now you have to spend lots of time clicking through the agency list browsing.

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