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Apr-30-2008 20:36

This is posted in both Noir and SoM.

In sleuth world we have a lot of websites giving advice, acting as web pages for players or agencies. This creates a very hard to navigate community, the wiki would take all that information and put into one website.
For those of you who don't know a wiki is a database that can be edited by anyone, but some measures are in place to stop vandals.
The wiki would allow for the most up to date Sleuth Encyclopedia and will give agencies and users to show what they've got beyond the little spaces we are allowed to edit on our profiles.

I would just like to now if there is an interest for this, before I go ahead and maybe set it up.

Apr-30-2008 21:11

I dunno. I for one am leery about this yoyo! I can't speak for anyone else, but personally, I have invested a lot of time and engery into making my agency website. If this wiki was to be in place, then I'd feel as though my efforts and energy was for nothing.

Also, I dont think having multiple webpages creates a "very hard to navigate community." If anything, it shows that the community is invested to helpign out others, by having multiple resources available to any and everyone that choses to use them. I like the fact that you can go to more than one website for information and tips about the game.

I think that agencies are able to show what they've got by having their own websites, thus allowing them to do what they want. I really wouldn't want someone using the info I've put up without my permission, and that sounds like what wiki would do.

Just my opinion though!

Apr-30-2008 21:29

Ok, I can see what you're saying, this thread is made to calmly discuss the idea and I want to here everyone's thoughts.

May-1-2008 01:58

From what I understand, someone would have to type in the information into wiki. That would take a lot of time in itself. Quite frankly, I wouldn't mind having wiki as a collection of the same information from each agency. Such as, most agency websites have a guide for the cities and for VHs. Some have equipment, book, Shangri La, and/or little jobs guides. Those things would be able to be into one website as it's all the same information no matter which agency has what. Some of the agency sites are more current than others.

Our own individuality as far as sites go, comes from the extra things we put into it. Hunter's (for example) is mainly a how to site. Shaded Legends is another how to site. If you'll look at those two, and compare them. Same basic information is given, but in different format. Another example would be Dawg Pound's site, for their own individuality, have a combination of things, including writings we've done on sleuth and/or outside of sleuth, sports (current ones and concerning the one area of teams that the agency is based on...) and a few other maps for layouts and such. Recently set up AVH Tournament for all to participate if willing, and we're not trying to overtake the original site for AVLs.

So, my main point is, while a lot of the information in all the sites are quite the same, we could combine it into one. Where we're all different, we still maintain our sites on pure individuality. It would save a lot of space on many sites.

(this is made to start up a fine debate, and not sure where my opinion is on all this, but I was writing this out quite objectively)

May-1-2008 07:52

'From what I understand, someone would have to type in the information into wiki.'

This wouldn't have to be like this, a lot of the information is already there on other websites. Also the whole pages can be edit and created/removed so it's more of a community wide project than just a few volunteers. You could create a small brief introduction, and eventually other people would beef it up to be something quite impressive.

May-1-2008 10:34

Am I understanding this that y'all are wanting to put up some kind of article on wikipedia.com or some such?? If that's the case, I say go for it! Dunno how much expertise I have to give, but whatever Missy and I can do to help, please let us know, and we'll be right there! I'd personally like to see as many different sites and creations as people can come up with. I think it'd be neat!! ;-)

May-1-2008 20:25

I don't think it's a bad idea to have a wiki page. I'm not a big fan of wiki as it is, alot of incorrect information can be posted there as anyone can go there. For something like this game though I don't think its a bad thing.

In fact, it can give some of the people that are not an editor of their agencies website a chance to contribute. It won't replace all the comminuty sites that we have, nor do I think it should. Like lil stated, each site has it's own individuality and I don't think it would take anything away from the other sites that are out there.

The negative part of wiki goes to the anybody can post anything they want part of it and that could really open the doors to agency and player bashing that can't be modded. I think our mods do a great job here of doing the modding but is there a way to take it off of wiki if it's inappropriate? There have been some feuds in the game and I would hate to see them carried over to a site that can't be controlled or things could get out of hand very quickly. I guess what I'm asking is, yoyo, if you create the page do you have any and all editing rights for it? I haevn't really looked at wiki too much and never really use it for a point of reference. Regardless of whether or not it's up, the community sites are not gonna go away, I thinks thats one of the aspects that has made this game fun, esecially being an agency director.

I'm really not to worried about anybody copying anything from DPI's website, while all of us creators have worked hard on our sites, we have no trademarks or copyrights so by putting them out on the internet pretty much makes them open game to have information copied from them.

OK, I guess I flip-flopped on the issue enough here, I guess my point is I don't care one way or the other. But if you do decide to do something, I just may learn a bit about wiki so that I can make a community contribution. Thanks for bringing this up and making it an open debate.

May-1-2008 21:10

ctown:
'If you create the page do you have any and all editing rights for it?'

I have been looking around at places that can store the wiki and the one I think that will be the best is http://www.wikidot.com/.

It says on their website 'You can decide who can edit, rename, attach files, replace/delete files within your pages'. So a certain amount of privacy would be available on certain pages (agencies, players etc) but we'd leave it open on pages that affect everyone (cities, factions etc.)

May-1-2008 22:29

Breit:

We are basically talking about creating our own wikipedia for this game. But we definitely should create a page for wikipedia, we used to have one but it got deleted.

May-2-2008 00:45

Now, another point of view would be the concerning the Admin's views. While we could have a wiki page, there needs to be a limitation of information we allow the public eye to see should they do a search on Sleuth.

Main reason being that we don't want to share too much information on the pages should the people want to figure things out in Sleuth themselves. I'm sure the Admin wouldn't want us to share too much information for those who haven't played the game before. It'd be like people taking a test they know the answers to. There's no brain work.

May-2-2008 03:49

Well I think that's up to the person. Just like now, if you don't want help don't go onto sleuth tips or the other websites that offer tips. We could include spoiler warnings as well.