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Jun-22-2007 00:59

Well, I was chatting with a friend, and our topic diverted to FMs, since Im not really the FM kind of guy, I said I cheated on FMs except for Unread Will, Doomsayer: Prisoner and Heart of Darkness. Well lo and behold, that sparked a hostility of which I didnt know existed and it just went downhill after that. Im shaken really, as is our friendship. I didnt know this is a grave misdemeanor on the game, and I cant believe that a friendship would deteriorate over a choice that for me was a trivial decision to take. I am posting here, to offer myself in penance and so you can cast your stones at me. You call me a newb, a retard for being a new player and wanting everything handed to me on a silver platter. I am sorry you think that way, I am sorry you have to think differently of me just because of this minor mistake. I never knew or read that "Thou Shalt Not Cheat" was part of the Sleuth commandments and that anyone who strays from the path will be scolded and called names upon. I am posting here in repentance to say that I am sorry if I ever did refer to walkthroughs in doing the other Scripted Mysteries that I did.

(And again, sincerely, my apologies. Posting here is therapeutic since I can get my emotions out, and also I want to know what the other oldies think, based on our conversation, my friend said that the other older players feels the same way and would have acted in the same manner that my friend did, I want to know if this is true.)

Obviously, this hit me hard. I cant believe the hostility that I experienced, I enjoyed playing Sleuth the way I did, but now if I am going to be labelled a cheater from here on out and be shunned by the rest of the older community, well then I guess I should just leave. It pains me that sometimes people lack understanding, forgiveness, clarity and maturity.

Jun-22-2007 02:45

What on earth did you do? How can you cheat at SM's? Being a writer of SM's (well one and half unpublished SM's!!!) I wish more would play them. But cheating seems a little hard to do. I know there are walk throughs but that seems fine if people are rubish enough Sleuths not to be able to follow the clues (Big Cheeky Grin!) but not sure how you would cheat...

*Throws a grape, small and more likely to bounce than a rock.*

Jun-22-2007 03:29

Hehehe oops, I meant use a walkthrough. >.<

*bashes head into a grape, errr I mean a rock!*

Jun-22-2007 04:39

Sounds like your "friend" could use a life.

Who cares how you complete a SM?! I personally don't do them at all, they just don't interest me all that much (except Doomsayers) but honestly, they are for individual entertainment. If you want to use a walkthough, then go right ahead. Sheesh.

Jun-22-2007 05:09

Cheating at Sleuth is virtually impossible. If the game lets you do something than it is within the rules. If you really did cheat I am sure Sleuth Admin would shut your detective down in a heartbeat.

Choosing to do things differently than others is not cheating, it is just different.

Jun-22-2007 06:03

Well I'm sure 'thou shalt not cheat' IS kind of a rule in 'ANY' game, well I hope so, but define cheating Butcher?!

In your instance, relax Max.

Jojo's Sleuthtips.com give out FM walkthroughs like their hot chocolate and marshmallows on a cold winter's night.

Am I fan of walkthroughs for Sleuth FM's? No.
Do I think they lessen the Sleuth gaming experience? Yes!
Did I have some I made for Doomsayers before Computer Crash 2006? Yes!
Do I point people to Sleuthtips.com for walkthroughs? Yes! When it's 2am and I can't remember what the monkey did or even what FM the monkey is from! Heck, is there even a FM with a monkey in it?

I strongly encourage everyone to 'play' the FM's, people spend a great deal of time writing (and editing) them so you can get some playing enjoyment out of them;

and I firmly believe that you, Butcher, are capable of solving them, solo, unaided;

BUT I'd never call you or anyone a cheat for using a walkthrough?!

A lazy sod! LOL! :D But not a cheat :p

And as RA quite rightly points out, the moralicious nay sayers should remember it's Ben & Sunny who make the rules. We might come together and have a consensus of opinion, but it's Admin that takes action. (Oh stop laughing, they do too! :p )

There is a strong sense of 'what's right' here Butcher. We do like there to be as level a playing field as possible. But sometimes it all gets a bit Mary Shelley on us, and we're just one burning brand short of an angry mob.

Don't let it stress you out.

Keep playing. Enjoy Sleuth the game, maybe try a few FM's on your own (I recommend jojo's & Stooby's new FM's coming out very soon to a screen near you), and maybe find other people to hang out with.

Happy Sleuthing,

Squirrel out.

Jun-22-2007 10:54

Walkthroughs aren't cheating (and I'm not just saying that because of the circumstances I'm in). They are just in case you ever get stuck and need a little push to continue.

No need to worry.


And yeah, new FMs! Stooby's looked great from just the intro I read, and mine, well, yeah ;D

Jun-22-2007 12:04

Sir Butcher, my opinion is that your friend commits the ultimate sin of being judgemental. Life's too short and with friends like that, who needs enemies? Doesn't sound to me like s/he was much of a friend to begin with. And I resent anyone assuming my opinion or stance on a subject simply because that's how THEY feel. I hope your 'friend' reads this and crawls back into the hole s/he crawled out of.

I do recommend doing the FM's without a walkthrough. They are much more fun that way, I've done nearly all of the old ones. I will admit to getting a little hinting help from friends on a couple of the Doomsayer ones, but I prefer the challenge of doing it myself. :D

Jun-22-2007 12:35

Sir Butcher De Vei you came up the super idea of the dosier file which shows your dedication to Sleuth.

The walkthroughs are everyones choice, I'd prefer it when mine came out for there not to be one but if people want to write it that is there choice and no-one ever forces someone to use them. It's not cheating.. not grat Sleuthing either but as long as you take the time to play the SM's and enjoy them who really cares what you do to solve them.

Just make sure you play them and to all reading PM the writer if you enjoy them. Feeback is always great.

Jun-22-2007 13:15

The FM guides that do exist (*blushes sheepishly*) were not created so people could just skip trying and reading the FMs and just get them over with. They were made for if you ever got stuck or couldn't figure out what to do next, that you could reference them. And if you use them that way, I don't think anyone would ever call that cheating.

Jun-22-2007 13:25

Here here Jojo! So stop worrying Sir Butcher De Vei