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Serges
Serges
Vigilante

Sep-9-2012 23:12

I am happy to announce that the latest expansion to Sleuth: Noir, the Nemesis Hunt, is officially live as of 23:00 server time on September 9th, 2012. That is a full hour AHEAD of the scheduled update time, so first off let me start by thanking Ben for everything he has done to enable this expansion from day 1. He has been very open and supportive in this endeavor, and none of this could have been done without him. So thank you, Ben.

Now, on to the good stuff... how do nemesis hunts work?

If you have captured 3 or more Arch-Villains (10 starting October 1st), you are able to start a Nemesis Hunt. The first step is to head to Shangri-La and talk to the Prince.

...and that is the only step I will give you.

Good luck everyone! There is a special achievement on the line for the first person to capture a Nemesis, so get to it...

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Ellie Cushion
Ellie Cushion
Bloodhound

Nov-20-2012 04:59

i would be intereste to know which city will most like reveal the urchin twist

Eden Zweig
Eden Zweig
Nomad

Nov-20-2012 07:10

Squirrel are you sure chances are higher in those cities with more twists?
If you wanted to offset the competition then you'd set the event to get an urchin in every city to about equal chances anyway right? I mean if a city had 5 twists and you need 1/5 chance to get the urchin, then you'd fix the raito to offset the competition so a city with 10 twists would likely have 2 urchin cases in 10.


Well I thought it was fixed somehow from the start, however experience tells otherwise and plus, I had my urchin tell me some cities had less twists, lol! I visit that city so rarely it never even occurred to me that it had no factions!

We need a candy store in there :)

Eden Zweig
Eden Zweig
Nomad

Nov-20-2012 07:12

*correction: 2 urchin twists in 10 twists, cases have nothing to do with it*

Daenerys Targaryen
Daenerys Targaryen
Bibliophile

Nov-21-2012 06:36

I have three detectives doing Nemesis hunt, and it never occured to me that the reason for my 'luck' was that my agency is situated in the city with a candy store :). Yes, you must be right, Eden. There are also, in my experience, other ways to get the urchin soon after you completed your last mission ( 'legal' ways, not the multiple missions, I never tried that). Today it took one of my detectives two cases and the other about eight to get the urchin.

Vampiric Smile
Vampiric Smile
Safety Officer

Nov-22-2012 23:25

Just my opinion on the issue
-I strongly disagree with people telling that they join (or will leave the game) because of nemesis. We have been in for years for the main core of the game not for nemesis.
-Nemesis is the best that happened in sleuth world the last years so no matter if there are plenty of bugs in....still is a great addon
-Complains may exist but to my opinion are just normal side effects and not at all important. I also had to wait for 3 weeks to get a twist...so what? We play our game in the between like we did years now and i see absolutely no problem to that. I hear that some people are stucked in a situation for 1-2 months....again i ask so what? Why you people react like we have a race or something? You may finish yr nemesis after a year or even two....again so what? SS finished a VH after 3 years and gave us a good example of that

The developers will fix all bugs eventually. Ok this may take a year. So what people????Play yr core game and enjoy as nemesis is great no matter how many complains exist

AND pls remember we are in for the whole game not just for the nemesis part!

Summer Daze
Summer Daze
Freedom Fighter

Nov-23-2012 03:00

Hmm - I still have a lot of sympathy for those who are experiencing bugs and other problems. Who are you or I to say, my dear VS, that people are "in for the whole game not just the nemesis part"? We don't really know the various reasons why people do or do not play. Many people have left Noir over the years for all kinds of reasons. Maybe they are bored. Maybe work, family. Maybe they have played "the whole game" for a long time and now want something different.

Some who had left, or were about to leave, decided to stay on solely because of the nemesis hunts. Something new! Like many others, I think it was wonderful that Serges took the time and trouble to develop this. Perhaps, as has been suggested elsewhere, it should simply have gone through a longer phase of beta testing before being launched?

Anyhow, on another note, when purchasing any product or service, customers (which is what we all are) have a right to complain when basic service standards are not met. We may disagree on what those standards are, but raising issues is normal and expected. So to tell people not to raise issues and to keep quiet about it...? Tut, tut VS :)

I can see both sides. Problems can't be magically rectified overnight. But there must be some kind of limit before - at the very least- refunds are offered. I have a lot of sympathy for what Beefy and others are experiencing. In addition, if I have a query regarding nemesis hunts - e.g. not seeing the urchin for a while - why should this not be queried on the boards just like any other question about the game? I'll continue to do so :)

Happy sleuthing!

Eden Zweig
Eden Zweig
Nomad

Nov-24-2012 03:12

Dear Summer, the thing is, Nemesis is the product of a completely voluntary effort. It's not a purchase. It's something a player did to make the other players happy. That's good enough a reason to be happy, in my opinion. ( Thank you, Serges.) Many of us, including you, agree with this anyway.

Nemesis isn't some service that Ben charges anyone for. I think VS is only reminding us of this fact. He's strictly talking about Nemesis and says leaving because of Nemesis sounds a bit absurd (and many people returned Noir before Nemesis actually).

I think he's right because:

- people knew that this was a voluntary work.

- people have been reminded of the fact that Serges was the sole creator of Nemesis and Ben was as much a stranger to it as us when it was first launched.

- it's a work still in progress

- we cannot treat this work as if we were paying for this.

- we chose to play it and we never thought "it's unfair that we are not paying for this, we should pay, it's a great expansion". No, we just jumped right in.

- if the work is voluntary, then playing it is a choice. There absolutely is no bargain for anyone to hold their end of.

So let's first pay for it if we are to treat Nemesis as part of some Noir service. Doesn't sound very nice when put this way, does it? This question is what it all comes down to, however, when people coldly think of this as part of some professional work they paid for.

It actually destroys the whole beauty in a voluntary work. Months of work, according to what Ben says. Despite its bugs, it's possibly the greatest addition made to the game and it's going to be even better when it's finished.

Most of all, nothing but goodwill was and is behind it. What more could anyone ask for?

You know, I cannot imagine Linux users making a deal of its problems. Only, Linux users contribute to Linux whereas we can do no such thing for Nemesis because we know nothing about codes.

Summer Daze
Summer Daze
Freedom Fighter

Nov-24-2012 05:58

Oh dear " I night have known that the vampires would descend.....

Sorry Eden, but your response doesn’t make any sense. It appears to be replying to a post that is critical of nemesis hunts whereas my post is explanatory in nature. I’ve highlighted some of the reasons that people come and go from Noir (which happens all the time), pointed out the difficulties on both sides and that’s about it. Perhaps I made those points too well?

In the whole of this thread I can’t actually see any unpleasantness, apart from some allusions in your own post and some ‘naughtiness’ in VS’s :). Nemesis hunts are voluntary in nature (both creation and participation), but in order to take part people do need to be subscribed. In other words, for those who joined/renewed specifically in order to try the nemesis hunts, it was ‘a purchase’. However, bugs etc are expected to crop up in any programme. Why then should people not be free to post about these just as for any other bug or query? It is, in fact, the most helpful action they can take in order to flag up such things . It is not for you or me or anyone - apart from moderators and Admin. - to dictate what should be posted on the Community Boards. As long as things are within the Code of Conduct.

Me and my other half have paid for quite a number of subscriptions for players on Noir. We’ll be happy to do so even when we move on. But for those players who are a bit bored with the rest of the game and who had previously wanted to stay primarily for the nemesis hunts " well we won’t renew for them if they don’t want to stay.

I'll never be able to prevent someone seeing conflict where there is none. Personally I think most of us are singing from the same hymn book. But there you go.

As for this Linux thing: well if only its users can actually contribute to Linux then, of course, they’re not going to raise any big issue. It would be their own fault after all, lol.

Happy sleuthing!

Eden Zweig
Eden Zweig
Nomad

Nov-24-2012 12:18

Summer:

No one was being critical of you. I used your comment only to make a distinction between voluntary vs professional.

I think you got the whole Linux example wrong (consumers contributing zilch vs contributors who are also consumers was my argument).

I also think V said "apples" and in response to V you said "oranges". I hadn't realized this until your last post. (apples being Nemesis as a reason to leave vs oranges being reasons to leave Noir)


"...dictated...", "unpleasant...", "allusions". Where exactly did you see all that? For the allusion bit, lol, I have a recorded history of bluntness, if it comforts you. I don't make allusions. I will give an example of that to you in my PM because this is not the right place for that.

I only tried to stay on topic because I was not interested in who did what. I just wanted to dwell on what voluntary means because I think words that were unkind have been uttered for something so valuable.

I was also sorry that people left "because of it" so I also wanted to make a distinction between "our expectations" and "what could be expected under certain circumstances". Sorry if that displeases you but I am not here to please anyone. You are not here to do that either.

As can be seen from your last post, plus one of my previous posts that had absolutely nothing to do with you but with this approach again, "critical" and "explanatory" aren't really mutually exclusive. In fact its being explanatory is what makes critical different from judgmental, no? No harm in that I suppose, as long as we can discuss things.

I never thought there was any conflict until your last post.

Anyway. The phrase "unfortunate addition" was what triggered me to write all this stuff in the thread.

That is all I can say about this. Thanks for reading.

Hellen Wheels
Hellen Wheels
Old Shoe

Nov-24-2012 15:32

My ray of sunshine: This is a game. A very fun game! I play when I am not working or doing things with my family. There are bugs from time to time. My CDs skip from time to time, too. C'est la vie. I pay very little to play here, and even though bugs and dodgy urchins can slow it down sometimes, the price is right and I love it! I am having a ball! So regardless of the occasional snags, thank you to Ben, Squirrel and Serges for creating this wonderful pastime that I enjoy to the fullest!

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