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Joseph Zeo
Joseph Zeo
Tale Spinner

Aug-23-2009 17:45

Considering that I'm still considered newbie to many real real veterans, I consider this question fitting to this section :-)

I guess I should prepare the gears ahead of time, as I'm planning to get judge of character and the charm skills next. I am currently using all the tough gears for my tough skills. When i have both Tough+Charm, what gears should i be getting?

I see that most people just stick to gears fitting their original skill sets; do you change when you use the other skills? wouldn't that be hm, very troublesome? (i'm lazy and hates changing around, besides, you can only do that in up to two cities- your own apartment and your agency, unless you wanna lug your apartment around...)

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Secret_Squirrel
Secret_Squirrel
Safety Officer

Aug-23-2009 20:01

I have always just stuck to straight charm gear. It's never stopped me from solving cases... laziness yes, gear no.

Some people do swap into their smarts gear for the crime scene and then back out into their solving set. I have a couple of smarts sets (agency/apartment) and used to do that occasionally if I was in the right city.

I suppose you 'could' go use JoC and see you need tough skills, go change into tough gear. But then you could also come back to a dead suspect too :)

turtledove
turtledove
Gopher to the Sleuth Gods

Aug-24-2009 09:35

I always stick to tough gear except for smart gear cause I like a detailed crime scene. I use JoC but if it tells me charm would work better I use my charm skills but I don't change gear. It works quite well this way.

I guess it all boils down to whether you don't mind changing gear often. I, like you and many other players, am very lazy and it seems like a waste of time. SS is also right in saying that you can come back to a dead suspect which can be very frustrating after taking the time to change gear.

Hope this all helps :-D

Joseph Zeo
Joseph Zeo
Tale Spinner

Aug-24-2009 11:09

Thanks guys for all your help!

Yes, i guess now it boils down to if i want to keep using tough gears or switch over to charm gears. Does it make a difference which type of character you start off with? (since i believe it only effect the speed of obtaining the skills, and does not effect the use of your skills themselves, is that correct?)

The reason i ask is that i think there's an advantage to using charm gears for hypnosis purposes (whereas pugilism works regardless of your tough adjustments). Is there any 'penalty' for 'switching over' ?

turtledove
turtledove
Gopher to the Sleuth Gods

Aug-24-2009 11:50

Your Archetype only determines the number of skill points you need to buy skills. If you're Tough then your tough skills will cost you less than if you were Charming and vice versa. Your Archetype will have no effect on your Charm skills if you have them.

As for hypnotism working better with Charm, I have two dets, one is tough and smart, the other charming and smart and I see no significant difference between the two. Both work equally well.

There is no penalty for switching over from tough gear to charming gear, however your archetype will always remain the same :-)

Joseph Zeo
Joseph Zeo
Tale Spinner

Aug-24-2009 19:42

You mean hypnotism works about the same even with the added Charm adjustments? (currently my tough is +26 and charm is -5) I would have thought that it would make a difference, considering if the statement "Hypnotism - success rate is affected by Charm" is correct...


Also, back to the Tough/Charm gear question, using my Tough detective as an example, which option would work better, given you do not change gears:

A) Use tough skill with +26 adjustment to question a charm susceptible suspect
B) Use charm skill with -5 adjustment to question the same charm susceptible suspect

If A) works better then B), then i don't see the point in acquiring both tough and charm skills... Actually, there's also a third option... instead of adorning one-sided gears, i balance my tough & charm adjustments (say +10 & +10) and always use the right skills to question the suspects. However, i don't see people doing that often. Does that mean it's not as effective, or that people just haven't checked?


turtledove
turtledove
Gopher to the Sleuth Gods

Aug-25-2009 07:28

My charm is also -5 and yes I really don't see a significant, significant being the key word here, difference in obtaining additional suspects. That is not to say that Hypnotism isn't a good skill cause it is. It sure does come in handy cause that extra name or two means asking less questions of your suspects and gives you more chances at solving your cases with WEs.



Sleuth Sindy
Sleuth Sindy
Huntsman

Aug-25-2009 12:31

Joseph

If you are told a suspect is more susceptible to charm, even though you are equipped with all tough gear, then it doesn't matter what gear you are wearing to question that suspect.

The gear you are wearing is not as important as the percentages. If you are wearing tough gear, but your figures come out 75% chance tough and 123% charm, then you want to use charm and don't need to change gear.

You would want to change into charm gear if your chances are 75% tough and 77% charm to bump your chance with charm to over 100%.

I may not have understood your post correctly - if not then just ignore everything I have said. :)

Joseph Zeo
Joseph Zeo
Tale Spinner

Aug-25-2009 17:41

Thank you both. You have answered my question. (and thanks Sleuth Sindy for letting me know what JoC is like, i have no idea that it's a percentile). I think the bottom line is, if i may conclude, that the use of gear in comparison with the skill sets is less significant.

I guess in the future (if i VH a lot), i 'll keep a set of charm gear just to get a feel of which is better, but for now i'll just concentrate on getting the skills. If anyone have opposite views please feel free to post to let us know what your perspective / experience is. Thank you again everyone for answering my questions.

Guiltfinder
Guiltfinder
Nomad

Aug-26-2009 00:41

It is a very good question indeed.
It is true that there is a lack of VH gears offering tough+charm abilities at the same time so if you wish to wear gear coming from the Prince then you are left without other option than to go one way or change gear (it is imposible and too much time consuming).
My choice is to wear simple gear (the one i use now) and go for both directions at the same time with excellent results and very low clams. Try them and you will see that they work great. They offer Tough 10, Smart 2, Charm 16

Joseph Zeo
Joseph Zeo
Tale Spinner

Aug-26-2009 18:33

Yes Finder, i think that's originally the plan of the game as it offers us "both ways" gears on AI level cases. Then the game expanded and gave us the prince's gears. Donning both-ways gears is theoretically sound because it gives you an overall total of +28 adjustment, which is higher then donning prince's gears (since the one-sided negative adjustment will pull the overall total down).

When you always use the 'right' tough/charm skills to grill suspects/townies, with the minimum of +10 adjustment, how often do they clam on you? Would a strong one sided adjustment give us a better chance? (sorry i am full of questions)

Finder, i see that you haven't done any AVH. I wonder how well your strategy will work on one... I am thinking of trying it out when it's time... but i still have some way to go though. If you decided to do AVH let me know how many quits you have on average in one villain hunt. Also, if anyone who VH and dons both-ways gears, please let me know how that work for you too. Thanks!!

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