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All I Want for Christmas is a Shady Cap
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sunny
sunny
Lady of Shadows

Dec-15-2007 12:59

So, as you may have noticed the "Beating a Dead Horse" discussion has been archived. (A post started by Roamie about the perceived steepness of Shady prices). Be assured that everyone's opinion was read and appreciated here in the Sleuth Admin household. We would like to put an offer on the table: cap at 1 mil.

Please let us know what you think and based on your posts, we'll make a decision by Christmas morning.*

*Disclaimer:
This message is not intended to promote and/or belittle Christmas. You do not have to celebrate Christmas or any other winter holiday in order to post here.

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Lady Emerald Devon
Lady Emerald Devon
Nomad

Dec-17-2007 07:16

I am not againest retirement for 3 strikes but I am againest a price so high that players can't pay, get the third and leave the game.

When I started work at the Casino as a Dealer, our Gaming Manager said, "It's easy to see the ones the win, Casinos make a big deal of those ones so you can't miss it. What is harder to see and what you don't see, is the people that lose, and they are the majority.''

I think that is the situation we have here, we see the people who say are doing well and don't mind Shady's high prices, we're not seeing the ones who leave and never come back.

I agree with Breik, I would like a formula change.
In Shanghai, Shady's price goes up $2 for an easy case doubling everytime until his price is increased to $512 for an A.I, this means you earning less than Shady's fee and when a bribe in an A.I is $500, this is nuts.

I also agree with Laura Vo that there are many more ways to deal with F.As including real money, this works exceptionally well with other games while supporting and increasing revenue for the game for other players.

I agree with the cap.

I would like to see the formula re-done or a freeze on it, a cap and retirement bought back.

Going back to the earlier quote, I was wondering if there was going to be a survey done?

Once again, we are hearing the same voices while some people never read the boards or do read the boards and do not post.

I think while it is a great intention to get a discussion going on this, I hardly think that unless a survey is sent out to everyone, an accurate opinion of the communities feelings can be gauged.

I also think it's great there is the risk involved in the game but I do think this is a game, games should be fun and I do think the risk loses players that could otherwise subscribe.

And like I said, I think bringing back 3 strikes and you're out is a great idea.
Shady however needs a huge change.

biggie528
biggie528
Lucky Stiff

Dec-17-2007 09:18

I just have to say, I disagreed with resurrection/unretirement at the time, and I still do. The cap to me is a completely different monster. As I believe Breit said, one million is NOT chump change.

Jojo
Jojo
Old Shoe

Dec-17-2007 09:52

Okay, LED may have me change my tune on this subject.

Should the formula be changed up, I'd be for a cap. :D

And yes, unretirement is a different topic, but it also is important here. Allowing people to unretire means that Shady is less important. By restructuring the Shady formula and putting a high cap on it ($1 million), you could essentially eliminate the unretirement system with little repercussion.

I'd like to see the formula changed slightly, a HIGH cap put on Shady, and unretirement scrapped. That, or leave it as is.

Ima Vagabond
Ima Vagabond
Safety Officer

Dec-17-2007 15:16

I, like Breitkat, was expecting a new hat to wear. Boohoo.

I'm FOR a shady cap. One million is still a high amount for anyone.

roamie
roamie
Well-Connected

Dec-17-2007 15:26

Maybe we can have both. A one million dollar cap for paying off shady. And then when you do pay off shady you have to wear a "shady cap" for a day. Kind of like the sleuth version of a dunce cap. lol

Lady Emerald Devon
Lady Emerald Devon
Nomad

Dec-17-2007 16:50

The effect of Shady's prices being so hi and the simplistic formula of the way the grow higher (doubling up to more than half of what you earn for a case) causes people to be unable to pay, sit on two F.As and then become retired on a third, often which maybe a mistake even after they've checked two or three times. Therefore, I don't see how Shady's prices and Retirement are different issues as it is a cause and effect relationship.

I think a cap is needed but is a simplistic fix and doesn't fix the real problem of Shady's prices.
I'm not sure how to fix this, maybe start at a base rate for the first F.A you gain and add 5% of the reward at the end of the case to the price.
The next F.A you gain, the base price is doubled or something.
This would then penalize people who constantly gain F.As.

One of the biggest problems people seem to have (or at least how I percieved it) is that the cap will take the risk away.
]That is why I said, why not bring retirement back, it would re-add the risk the element.

As I said, I do think a formula change, a cap and bringing back retirement would keep and encourage more people to stick around and subscribe.

I really don't think it's as simple as adding a cap but if that is all that is possible that's better than nothing.

Lady Emerald Devon
Lady Emerald Devon
Nomad

Dec-17-2007 16:57

P.s Thank you Ben and Sunny for listening and being prepared to help everyone out with Shady!

ctown28
ctown28
Tireless Tiger

Dec-17-2007 22:04

I really haven't thought much about it, I've had to pay shady quite a bit of money more times than I would like and even accidentally retired myself once. They are usually just stupid mistakes on my part and right now my fee is not anywhere near $1,000,000. I guess that's the bonus I have for being such an old detective, but not as many experience points. It does kind of seem that the people that put all the time and effort for building their detective up so high get penalized for their effort.

That being said, whether or not there is a cap really doesn't matter to me. If I have to retire this detective and bring him back and rework everything is no real consequence to me as I never really paid attention to my xp points. I would just be sure to stick all my money in the office safe before doing so and make sure I'm not wearing any VH items.

Piccolo
Piccolo

Dec-19-2007 05:10

Like Breitkat, I thought it was a cap to wear. It would have to be black of course and I'd like the Triads colour/design please.

I've read all the posts and there are some interesting (and deep) thoughts here. For my part, I'd say keep Shady the mean nasty offensive guy that he is - oh, by the way have you seen his house! It's spectacular - not gold plated but solid gold everywhere! Arches, columns, not just ensuite bathrooms but ensuite swimming pools as well!

I retired/resurrected my detective once and kept my fingers crossed that I wouldn't come out of it with too many heavy losses and I was fortunate. That was a very nasty scare and has taught me a lesson. I have Zero FAs now and intend to keep it that way. If I'm daft enough to get an FA I'll go straight to the nasty man and pay him immediately, I won't wait til I get 2 as I did in the past.

I'm just "toddling" along in this game. I belong to a diddy agency that does nothing other than store equipment and that suits me fine. This means that there's no agency clocking up loads of dosh for The Nasty Man but I'd still rather keep what happens at the moment - a retirement/resurrection option and no cap.

Regarding retirement/resurrection, as I say I got caught out with this once and decided that I'd not risk that again either. Not sure how ctown28 would put money in safe and put nice stuff in safe before retiring, don't remember having that option. Certainly don't think that option should be available anyway. If you try to to to HQ or Apartment to offload then perhaps you should be permanently retired!

Retirement/resurrection is certainly an option for those who can't or won't afford to pay The Nasty Man and in fact provides a "cap" of sorts. You pay loads of dosh to TNM or risk losing some pretty good equipment as well as contacts. I think that's a pretty fair compromise.

So, my vote - no cap of TNM but keep the retirement/resurrection option.


DaRu
DaRu
Well-Connected

Dec-20-2007 11:23

Well, I’ll keep my comments short and sweet. I think a freeze would be good. Once you’ve made an accusation the amount would stay the same, no matter how long you wait to pay him off. This would benefit all players, new or old timers. But, again the Shady Guy has kept me on my toes and made my heart go crazy a few time...he-he!

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