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Sleuth Admin
Sleuth Admin
Tale Spinner

Nov-17-2006 00:24

“Never explain yourself. Your friends do not need it and your enemies will not believe you anyway.”
--Elbert Hubbard

I’ve been putting off addressing the growing dissonance over what some players believe to be unfair abuse of the agency system. There have been several reasons for my hesitancy. First, I wanted to see if the community could come to some sort of consensus (or near consensus) without a dictatorial decision from me. Second, it’s a complicated issue and I wanted to decide on an official position before jumping into the fray. And lastly, navigating this kind of social minefield is always tricky and I’m a much better game designer than I am a conflict mediator.

It seems that patience with my hands-off approach has now run its course. I’ve gotten several direct appeals from players that I should intercede, clarify, pontificate or proselytize, and that the time for me to speak up is now.

Many sleuth players have voiced the opinion that it is unfair to combine cases from multiple accounts in order to raise a single detective’s standing in the High Scores List faster than would be possible without sharing cases. This basic argument has given rise to several related disagreements, along with a healthy dose of finger-calling and name-pointing. There are several threads in Sleuth Talk devoted to these debates, so I’ll assume that everybody reading this has a grasp of the arguments on both sides.

First off, I think it’s important to note that everybody on the high scores lists has put an enormous amount of time and energy into a difficult game and should be proud of what they’ve accomplished. We’re not talking about a bug that allows for solving mysteries in under a minute or an exploit that gives you thousands of free experience points. Every detective on those lists represents thousands of solved cases and many, many hours of game play.



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yoyofoshow
yoyofoshow
Old Shoe

Nov-18-2006 07:44

Ben please don't ever scare me like that ever again, you nearly gave me a heart attack.

Sleuth Admin
Sleuth Admin
Tale Spinner

Nov-18-2006 09:17

Roamie,

Yes we'll give pro-rated refunds to any subscriber who decides these changes aren't what they bargained for and they want out of the game.

We'll keep this option open for a week. Please send requests for refunds to help@hypoware.com by November 24th.

If you have more than one subscription, and you want to cancel one, we'll require you to cancel all of them.

Thanks for asking.


AndreaX
AndreaX
Thespian

Nov-18-2006 10:14

I never pressume to speak for any group. I speak for myself. I understand VERY well the admins position in regards to unsubs in an agency. I seem to remember (although this was before my time) that there have been several changes in the history of Sleuth that have changed the way people played. The types and number of contacts you could have, for example.

As for password sharing, we shall see what we shall see.

Eagle Eye Flo
Eagle Eye Flo

Nov-18-2006 10:45

I am a relatively new player, only playing since July. I love the game and also convinced my friends and family to try it. Thet also love the game and together we have created an agency. As I am the only person who is retired in the real world, I have more time to spend online. I do know the passwords for some of the people in the agency. I use them if they are holding a favor we need in a hunt or to start a new hunt. Other times, they ask me to log onto their name to store cases so that others in the agency
can use them. I do not see how this is causing any harm. I will miss password sharing if it is decided ot do away with it.


Neritina
Neritina
Well-Connected

Nov-18-2006 11:06

I hope that every body will try the game with the new rules and see that it isn't so different in the end.

Please don't leave our beloved game on a too quick decision.

biggie528
biggie528
Lucky Stiff

Nov-18-2006 11:32

Well said Neritina....

We will all have to adjust to any changes that are made, but there are still a LOT of great things about this game that will never change :)

Ranier Peperhaut
Ranier Peperhaut
Washed Up Punter

Nov-18-2006 13:55

I agree with you both Neritina and Biggie (and those who said the same before.)

We have definitely become accustomed to the way things have been, and maybe even taken for granted that they would always be like that. However, as time progresses things must always change. The game will still be same game, only we'll have to adjust our strategies for playing it.

I have only recently joined an agency where I was able to log into another detective. Of course this is a HUGE help in that I don't have to wait around for that person to log in, but to me it is just a convenience.

I made it most of the way hardly ever getting help, and we can still get where we want to with out that help. We'll all just have to be a little more patient - something I have a hard time with, yes, but I'll have to deal. Lol.

I think any changes that have been or will be made are made based on much thought from the creators of the game, and we'll have to adjust if we want to keep playing this great game. Hopefully no one would feel the need to quit over this, because it would be a shame to lose players. I plan to look at it as another challenge, just another part of the game I get to figure out!

roamie
roamie
Well-Connected

Nov-18-2006 14:36

Are these restrictions going to be in place prior to November 24th so we can decide if we want a refund? And are refunds being given for all the subscriptions that you have or for just one detective?



biggie528
biggie528
Lucky Stiff

Nov-18-2006 14:50

If you have more than one subscription, and you want to cancel one, we'll require you to cancel all of them.

I think he answered that question Roamie.

I sincerely hope that a small rule change such as this won't make anyone leave the game, when we all so clearly enjoy it....

alljackedup
alljackedup
Old Shoe

Nov-18-2006 14:52

I'm not sure if I read it correctly about the password sharing thing not being up for debate as well, but I just wanted to raise some concerns:
1- if someone logs off with an item you desperately need because they forgot to put it back into the locker, are you just SOL cause you can't log in as them to retrieve your item? some people share pw's for that reason, among others that have been deemed shameful...
2- what if someone in your agency is not able to play for an extended period of time?

there are so many other things that (some more important!) could happen and can easily be resolved by pw sharing. i have never seen a debate about this before so hopefully you will consider all aspects of your possible decision before you put it into place. i, and many others, love this game and agree with all the other changes, except pw sharing...

i'm not too computer savvy so i don't know what sorts of problems arise from pw sharing, so excuse me if my concerns are that important.

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