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Sleuth Admin
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Tale Spinner

Nov-17-2006 00:24

“Never explain yourself. Your friends do not need it and your enemies will not believe you anyway.”
--Elbert Hubbard

I’ve been putting off addressing the growing dissonance over what some players believe to be unfair abuse of the agency system. There have been several reasons for my hesitancy. First, I wanted to see if the community could come to some sort of consensus (or near consensus) without a dictatorial decision from me. Second, it’s a complicated issue and I wanted to decide on an official position before jumping into the fray. And lastly, navigating this kind of social minefield is always tricky and I’m a much better game designer than I am a conflict mediator.

It seems that patience with my hands-off approach has now run its course. I’ve gotten several direct appeals from players that I should intercede, clarify, pontificate or proselytize, and that the time for me to speak up is now.

Many sleuth players have voiced the opinion that it is unfair to combine cases from multiple accounts in order to raise a single detective’s standing in the High Scores List faster than would be possible without sharing cases. This basic argument has given rise to several related disagreements, along with a healthy dose of finger-calling and name-pointing. There are several threads in Sleuth Talk devoted to these debates, so I’ll assume that everybody reading this has a grasp of the arguments on both sides.

First off, I think it’s important to note that everybody on the high scores lists has put an enormous amount of time and energy into a difficult game and should be proud of what they’ve accomplished. We’re not talking about a bug that allows for solving mysteries in under a minute or an exploit that gives you thousands of free experience points. Every detective on those lists represents thousands of solved cases and many, many hours of game play.



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biggie528
biggie528
Lucky Stiff

Nov-18-2006 15:05

settle down Roamie, just trying to answer your question :)

LilRach
LilRach
Well-Connected

Nov-18-2006 15:06

At this time, I believe the password sharing will not be stopped. I believe Ben and Sunny are still considering this option since he said "I’m going to seriously look at enacting a technical rule that will prevent password sharing inside of an agency." The only two rule changes are, again I believe...

1. When a mystery is completed, half of the experience will go to the detective who finished the case, and half to the detective who started it. Obviously, if those are the same detective, they will get all of the experience as usual.

2. Ex-subscribers who are still in agencies will no longer be allowed to access case files.




BadAss
BadAss
Charioteer

Nov-18-2006 18:25

And now that we're into changing things and learning to adjust and swallow what's next....how 'bout suggestions that were made before like reducing the number of clicks for PE verification? or retrieval of agency items by a simple click?

I know for sure that several agencies held a poll on the issue of reducing the number of clicks for PE verification.

biggie528
biggie528
Lucky Stiff

Nov-18-2006 18:51

I agree Badass, I would love those ideas....it would save a lot of time.

jroepel
jroepel
Con Artist

Nov-18-2006 19:46

Ben and Sunny, let me say that it saddens me that you have to get involved in this. (I too wish the community could have handled this without bothering you guys.) But thank you for attempting to come up with a solution to get the community back into playing the game instead of fighting on the boards.


Sleuth Admin
Sleuth Admin
Tale Spinner

Nov-20-2006 03:36

These two new rules changes are now in effect:

1. When a mystery is completed, half of the experience goes to the detective who finished the case, and half to the detective who started it. This only effects mysteries started from 11/20 on. Experience rewards for Mysteries that were originally begun before today go completely to the detective who completed it.

2. Ex-subscribers who are still in agencies are no longer be allowed to access case files.

We're still looking into a password sharing solution.


what'syourname
what'syourname

Nov-20-2006 10:18

WOW... it took me forever to read all that...and of course I believe nothing is good without my two cents worth...

First I would like to say that I love this game. I have meet some very wounderful people here.

While I didn't participate in the debate, I did read what was happening. After reading it I got the impression that most wanted Ben to get involved. I find it surprizing that after he does voice his opinion and make some changes that people are upset. You cant ask him to get involved and then object to the solution that he gives you. Life is about adapting, so we adapt. Sleuth will continue to be a great game.

(side note--- Ben , I seriously pissed my pants when you said no more agencies.LOL)

Barry Grant
Barry Grant
Old Shoe

Nov-22-2006 09:13

Ben,

I have a question. Who benefits from the faction case I started if someone else solves it?

*tips hat*
Barry

Sleuth Admin
Sleuth Admin
Tale Spinner

Nov-22-2006 10:21

Experience Points (and by extension skill points) are the only reward that is split. All other rewards, including money and political/faction standing go entirely to the person who completed the mystery.

Barry Grant
Barry Grant
Old Shoe

Nov-22-2006 10:27

Thank you.

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