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Jul-6-2006 16:33

I'm not subscribed,but just to see that i'm not alone.
Who else is Not subscribed?

Dec-19-2007 08:02

Also, good luck and best wishes with moving to another country since you seem to think the one you live in isn't doing much for you.

Of course, you do some power to change the things around or to influence others to change the things around you, but I guess you'd rather just whinge and whine than try.

Dec-19-2007 18:54

It was not my point, you got it all wrong. anyway, it's not whining I'm trying to acieve, just a way to get by this situation.

I'm fully aware of the situation about the people starving. Anyway, I's not mainly up to me to take care for it in the first place. It's not me giving 36$ for a game while other people starve. And it's not me robbing people from their basic needs while claiming I liberate them.

What my point was is that I see the economic value of "sleuth" for its creators. And I don't argue about it. I just tried to point out that other games I tried out offered like 75% of the fun subscribers got, unlike this one. Here you only get to smell the cookies. Not even a taste. Maybe if we're given a bit more of the action (we=unsubs) we would get more involved. From my point of view, I'm supposed to pay for something I cannot even see, just hoping it's what I expect it to be.

About not beeing a newbie, I tried to get my experience a bit higher, but it's all the same all over again. Unscrypted mysteries are all I can do and I kind of got bored from them, so I decided upon exploring the site rather than repeating the same thing I was doing over and over. And, by the way, I atleast have ONE book collected. You have none.

I can't really remember the definition of "bitching", but as far as I can think of, it includes personall offense, a bit of what you've just done. But, I guess that's why noone has subbed you yet.

You say that I haven't tried out what NY has to offer me. What does it offer me but unscrypted mysteries? Little jobs? Yeah, tryed that too. It's really unchalenging to do them when you have a site where you have all the answers.

What makes you think I want to move to another country? 7$ a day are quite enough for a life around here. It's only, again, you that cannot understand that. Ignorant and offensive. Typical for someone that cannot see beyond their own nose. You simply ignore anything that's different from yourself.

Dec-19-2007 18:55

And, at the end: a bit of cultural courtesy in effort to broaden your views: Xmas in Macedonia is at the 7th of January.

Thank you.

Dec-19-2007 19:22

One of the great things about sleuth is that you get to meet and interact with people from all over the world and sometimes from places with interesting social/economical/political climates.

Balthaak I can appreciate that it's a lot of money for you to subscribe, I can also appreciate that the postal dynamics are funky and so mail doesn't always get through. However I also appreciate that trying to determine a subscription solution to the dilemma of our friends who play Sleuth from countries that are having some sort of strife that is prohibitive to obtaining a subscription is challenging.

David Adams was trying very hard to explain, to everyone, what about countries like Macedonia make subscribing by traditional means hard. He was also trying hard to think of solutions for you. Ok, so the solutions don't work but telling people that they don't understand and COULD not understand is insulting.

When people keep saying that the subscription is very affordable that is because for most people who are adults with jobs, or teens with jobs or parental financial endorsements, who are on this site - it is. The reality is that the site is run in the US, this means that the price of a subscription is taken into consideration from our economic point of view. It wouldn't make sense for it to be otherwise.

Lady Emerald Devon is a wonderful person who has put a lot of work into the game and into our community. She is known for her kindness to those who ask for help and for always looking for ways to build sleuth up. She is not ignorant, nor is she unreasonable. However you already implied that we were incapable of understanding and compassion, and yes it felt like you were implicating people who were reading this thread.

Dec-19-2007 19:24


I am glad that you are a part of sleuth and have expanded our global community to include Macedonia but if you feel that we cannot understand the trials of such citizenship then please let us know by posting in the Gumshoe Lounge and help us learn. Engage in dialogue. But it is useless to say that we couldn't understand as it doesn't lead to community building.

~Voyager their are no bridges; we build then as we go~ G.Anzaldua

Dec-19-2007 19:27

that would be:

~Voyager there are no bridges, we build them as we go

Dec-19-2007 19:44

Balthaak, actually Leddie was in a way agreeing with you and you went and snubbed her!!! And she HAS been subbed before. For a very long time.
The point to everyone that keeps complaining about what they don't have is this:

If you want the premium content and the benefits that come along with it, then spend the money. Just like in real life, if you want the fancy and nice things, you have to pay the money for it.

Be happy that you have a game that you can actually play for free without a trial time expiring thus making you never able to play the game again without buying the subscription. Sleuth Noir is very generous in letting people play forever if they chose as an unsubbed person without putting any expiration date on it.

Anyways, again, be happy with what you have, because its more than a lot of people have.

Dec-19-2007 19:59

I still say this my favourite thread.

Dec-19-2007 20:10

I'm trying to create a sleuth paradigm whereupon the space time continuum is rent asunder...

http://noir.playsleuth.com/map/cityhall/post.spy?id=14031

Dec-19-2007 20:19

I am sorry if anyone got this personal (other than the person it was intended for).

It's just insulting that someone would say that you whine when you are only looking for a solution for your problem.

Still, the problem remains...

PS. I knew she was subscribed :)