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Apr-1-2005 04:26

Would love the sidebar option one vote here.
Agency Directors should have the ability to view all agents stats. and skills EX.-Cases Quit, Cases Solved, False Accusations and Det. skills this would help with agency goals and directing the group as a whole in common direction. Only for their own agents , once agent leaves so goes the accessability. Any takers???

Apr-6-2005 14:42

Just to let you know... I am under my husbands detective. But that message above is from Moon Lighter. Merely was not paying attention to what detective i was under when i replied. My apologies

Apr-6-2005 14:43

One director is not the other, one agent is not the other. I think that Moon Lighter was trying to make a point that it can be not just agents, but also directors that are a problem. This wasn't quite clear in her first post though. (Which did come across a bit, as director bashing.) And directors are not holy either. I do want to take some responsibility for Moon Lighters little outburst...I was the one just mentioning agents the whole time. So fair is fair, she can mention directors the whole time too.

She is right, you can not take any directors reference at face value. However, I do take peoples advise that I know a little better. Or of which I know they are good sleuths. I know many people do this, I get a lot of questions starting with "you seem to know everybody." In all honesty, it is only rarely that I do know that person. I usually have to refer them to someone I do know a bit better. Usually they are directors (as they are the one in the know), sometimes they are agents. I have been running an agency for a year now, and some people can seriously ruin your entertainment. As I come here to practice to hobby, for some reason I'd like it to be fun. As a put in a lot of time in to my hobby, I don't want to risk someone else taking it down.

In all honesty to me, playing less or more, doesn't make someone a good or bad agent. Reuning someones good time, does though.

Apr-6-2005 15:35

My intention was not to ruffle anyones feathers. I just wanted to point out that directors can be just as much a problem as anyone else. I know from first hand experience. I agrre with jstkdn from the stand point that no one wants to see what they have worked hard for be demolished by anyone. I have one more question however... While everyone is coming up with ideas to protect a director and their agency... what about protecting that agent that gives every extra dime they have to support an agency... what about that agent who spends money on treasure hunt information for that agency? what about that agent that puts all of his/her time into this agency? Who protects them? Who makes sure that when they are offered or ask to join and agency that they are not getting more than they bagained for from a director? Who makes sure that the agent leaves with everything the came with and contributed? Answer... no one. It is a gamble. No one seems to consider the agents. AGAIN... I am not bashing directors like some of you think ... i just believe that EVERYONE has a right to be protected... not just directors. I know that as an agent I worked hard to get the money i contributed and believed in an agency so much i was willing to do whatever was necessary for the success of the agency. I left and lost everything i worked hard for...money, equipment and friends. I was just wondering who protect people like that? I believe that directors should have means of somehow protecting themselves, but so should the people joining.

Apr-6-2005 16:02

Ah, isn't sleuth fun! Espionage! It a good thing the is no actual "Murder Skill."
To all the cool detectives: You Rock! It is an honor to be able to work/play with you.
To all the suckters: Well, I know know you yet, so...nevermind.
Thanks again to the nonvindictive respectful dectives!
*clicks rootbeer mugs*

Apr-7-2005 09:21

I think for agents it is easier. They can leave. Directors could too, but the built and own the agency. Agents are always expected to contribute less then an officer, or director. Best thing is that they do not give away all of their marbles, unless there is a promotion in sight, or even better they know and love the agency and it's director.

What is unfortunate that some poor expecting newbies end up in the wrong place. There is not much to do about that. Bottom line, I was an agent too. It is not only me having to get in to the grace of a director, it is also the director and agency.....to get in to mine.

Apr-7-2005 09:34

Moon Lighter, the part I have a problem with is:
Now, any director will take another directors word over the word of a detective looking to become involved in an agency. Because of course this prospective agent is going to say things to make them look good. And your mind is made up!

No I wouldn't. Nor would any director I have had the luck to know. I do understand there are good guys and bad guys in sleuth and am sorry that you got this badly stung. But it is really bad to generalise about any group of people. I respect your right to an opinion and have often fought for people who have been denied this right through work with Amnesty International. And perhaps at Sirens it is slightly different to what you are describing because nobody below Officer is asked to contribute money. I have been an agent and the directors decided to leave the agency but luckily they were fair. I don't believe there is an easy way to protect agents other than they shop around and go to the agency they feel is best suited. At the end of the day if you are a director OR agent it all comes down to judge of character in the end.

Apr-7-2005 10:34

It is ironic that you talk about generalizations, but you are making one yourself, that directors take directors words over anyone else's. I think most directors do talk to agents and directors when recruiting, so this would be a generalization that directors abuse their power.

Apr-7-2005 11:00

Well, I was in a very old & wonderful agency before I started my own. I was upfront with the director & told her I wanted to learn enough to start my own agency. This was before I was even hired. That agency had some folks that had been there a time before I was hired. Like since it started. They somehow robbed that agency blind. Left it crippled & bankrupt. If you only knew how precious the director was. I thought it was so sad & cruel.
I have had agents in my agency that I hired before I knew thier background. To later find out from asking thier old directors that they were thieves, lazy or whatever. If a director hires somebody that left my agency. I am hones t if I was at fault or if the agent was crummy, just not right for my agency whatever.
Bottom line folks should be more transparent. Those that are reluctant to be open & honest. They would likely not tell you the truth. I think the work history is an excellent idea. As well as Agency history.

Apr-7-2005 12:15

What she says.

Exactly, all we need is transparancy. And not someones credit card details. Who is hurt by transparency, except those that are here to ruin our game?
1. Crummy people tend to go from agency to agency. Spreading their joy around this town.
2. In some cases the crummy people end up starting their own agency. And then are still crummy to their new recruits.
3. Less risk risk for the nice agencies.
4. Nice newbies have an easier time. Less distrust is put on them.
5. Agents can also check out the history of their new director, they can ask for references too. Before they start donating like mad to an agency.
6. Everybody is forced to be on their best behaviour, if they like to continue to have a place in this community.

Crummy detectives, will not tell the truth about their history. This is because they are crummy. :)

The potential danger is. People giving bad references while they are not deserved. Well no one has to gain anything on that anyway.

With crummy detectives I am not talking people that don't play the game well, or not daily. I mean those that enjoy giving someone else a bad time.

Apr-7-2005 14:15

LilRach, I was actually quoting from an earlier post not stating that myself. KLike I said sleuth is made up of good guys and bad guys and probably some in between. But to say Any director would is not fair because I am sure all agents act differently, all directors act differently and all agencies are run differently.