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Taking another look at recent false Accusations
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Sleuth Admin
Sleuth Admin
Tale Spinner

Mar-12-2012 00:08

There have been a few complaints recently about undeserved False Accusations and cases where the player thinks there was a structural problem (a guilty suspect without proper evidence or a good alibi, or the reverse for an innocent.

Given how long it has been since I've made any changes that affect the core game rules (and how many cases have been played), I don't see any reason that a new structural bug has appeared. That said, I've had enough complaints made by experienced players that it is worth taking a look.

Sooo, I'm going to go through any FA's that you think may have resulted from a bug in the past two months.

Please reply to this thread with the approximate date of any such FA's (I know it's tough to recall exactly) and I'll poke the data with a stick.

One other question, IF it were possible to replay an FA (without possibility of reward or further penalization) would you all be interested in doing that? How important do you think that update would be?

Thanks all.


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Lady Jas
Lady Jas
The Chosen One

Mar-12-2012 00:14

Thanks Ben!

Eden Zweig
Eden Zweig
Nomad

Mar-12-2012 09:56

Thank you Ben. I sent you a PM, and shared the thread title that led me to come up with the possibly troublesome idea. (there are two more but those threads (thus the related cases) were started longer than two months ago, I guess you don't have logs dating back more than two months?)

Friday Robinson
Friday Robinson
Bloodhound

Mar-12-2012 13:09

hi, thanks for this.

maybe you could also take a look at an almost impossible case that i quit today? at the end it said the killer was amanda george.....but she had showed up as deceased.

Summer Daze
Summer Daze
Freedom Fighter

Mar-12-2012 16:03

Yes, I think that the ability to replay a FA, in the way you describe, would be an excellent update to the game. Most people would appreciate the opportunity to see where they had gone wrong. And if they hadn't in fact made any error (let's assume), then it would make the reporting of any glitch so much easier.

I hope it will be possible to add this feature to the game :)

Eden Zweig
Eden Zweig
Nomad

Mar-12-2012 18:26

Uh. Another question:

Isn't it possible to view the solved case page by page with the exact order of mouse movements and clicks, as if going through an album of screenshots?

Since a glitch is something that is not supposed to happen and is random as opposed to bugs (I don't think glitch necessarily refers to "structural problems", please correct me otherwise), isn't it possible that it wouldn't repeat if the person resolved the case?

Like when you throw dice. While playing backgammon, if one of the dice doesn't stand in an upright position, you throw it again, right?

In random mysteries, the game creates the content the moment you choose to do a new case and click on the case level on the cases page, right? It matches names from a pool with suspects, picks evidence and randomly distributes it according to the if-else rules you have set?

Given that, would Friday Robinson, for instance, get the same person murdered on her second take? Isn't death also a random incident? Or is it(it being who's gonna get killed) predetermined? (assuming there wasn't a namesake among the suspects and she was not confused)

If the answers to my questions contain any spoilers as to the nature and predictibality of the game then please consider this post nonexistent :)


Friday Robinson
Friday Robinson
Bloodhound

Mar-13-2012 12:23

and i have another glitch.

the case i am on right now has 2 suspects with the same name (huan yue see ma) - the are father and brother of the victim.

this also happened to me a while back and i posted about it - can't find the thread now. thought it had all been ironed out.

just hoping neither of them is the killer as that could lead to problems - no?

Sleuth Admin
Sleuth Admin
Tale Spinner

Mar-14-2012 00:00

If we allowed replaying the case, it would be the exact same case. No random changes between plays. Kind of like playing the same scripted mystery twice.


Eden Zweig
Eden Zweig
Nomad

Mar-14-2012 14:19

So you are saying, theoretically, that a glitch repeats itself just like a bug when the related procedure is repeated?

And isn't it possible that a glitch could still occur without a "structural problem" in Noir case-solving?

ctown28
ctown28
Tireless Tiger

Mar-16-2012 20:14

I have had my share of FA's, not many have I reported when I thin its wrong, but after review It was removed or I accepted my mistake.

Unless I am reading this wrong, everyone wants Ben to keep track of their every move.

Chances are if you got an FA, you missed something.



Eden Zweig
Eden Zweig
Nomad

Mar-17-2012 15:24

- No it was Ben's offer to check recent FA cases if demanded. My suggestion was totally different. It was not even re-solving a game, it was rather watching the game play. (very low quality screen shots of each page in the exact order the user has opened and clicked on etc.)

- There's a difference between possiblity and probability.

- Glitch and bug, each refers to different sorts of problems.

- A glitch has a low probability to occur but a bug is likely to occur every time a certain thing happens and implies a problem in coding.

- People have solved thousands of cases to this day.

But they have mentioned possiblity of glitches rarely. Most probably, they have not claimed that it was a glitch every time they made a false accusation.
And that has a reason, too. So, you see, I don't think it's really that much about people having a hard time accepting their mistakes. One has got to at least admit there there are just as many people who thought something weird happened as those who wanted to blame it on the software. You have no reason to think otherwise.

And just the same, a low probability for the occurence of a glitch means a low probability of complaints. Simple statistics. So it's not actually weird to have wtinessed few complaints.

I think it's worth attention when someone says they quit a case where the killer turned out to be one with a valid alibi. And this is just an example of two or three more I have seen in some threads.

I told Ben all about that already. And I am totally ok with it if he says "no."

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