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Hawkeye Harris
Hawkeye Harris
Battered Shoe

Jan-25-2007 13:32

Wow, Ben! You don't waste any time! I logged off for a bit and when I came back on there was a new line with "transfer your retired subscription" (at least, I haven't seen it before now)


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BadAss
BadAss
Charioteer

Jan-25-2007 15:55

Perhaps we could agree that retired detectives could transfer their names and avatars to start again.

The way things are there is hardly any risk at all for new detectives. If you retire at 6,000 XP it's really not a big deal to restart with 4,000 XP. Experienced players would be way more penalized as they own a lot more cash. Players that are part of an agency could also duck out and deposit money and items before they revive, as several others pointed out.

Wouldn't we overcome more resistance if we had to "deserve" this wonderful new feature?


Arabella Parker
Arabella Parker
Well-Connected

Jan-25-2007 16:22

Having to start all over from scratch, but getting to keep your name and face seems more realistic. You messed up so that no one trusts you anymore. You have to move to a new town, where people don't know you or your reputation. Thus starting from scratch makes more sense. To make it more like real world, you get to keep the skills you have, but lose any extra unspent skill points along with all your money, experience points (reputation), gear and your contacts in all cities.

Harsh, but if you are a high level detective you know better than playing with 2 FA's and not paying Shady.

biggie528
biggie528
Lucky Stiff

Jan-25-2007 17:11

Wow I logged in and got a PM from Arabesque and almost died!

Congrats hun, I'm glad you're so happy and its nice to see you back from the dead.


On that note, I then went further in and saw this thread and what was behind all this. I agreed that after a certain point, you should be able to revive your detective, once with a big hit on your xp, equipment, and skills. But I see the reasoning behind the ease at which a person can come back. It takes the whole element of risk out of the game, in my opinion.

I think it should be limited to one time and only after you hit a certain amount of xp, say 2 million. This just opens the floodgates.

That being said, I still am happy for the people who got their detectives back, Leddie, Ara and Jas (I dont know yet who else is out there).

Sleuth Admin
Sleuth Admin
Tale Spinner

Jan-25-2007 17:37

The issue that this attempts to resolve is that retiring a long-time detective really is a very hard thing to deal with. We've lost a lot of players over the years when their favorite detectives are retired, and it does scare of a lot of new players away as well.

A few points:

1) Limiting the number of times you can come out of retirement does not address the above problem. If somebody plays to 3 million, becomes retired, comes back, and then becomes retired at 6 million, it's just as harsh as if they were never offered the chance to reactivate after 3 million.

2) Having a minimum experience limit will eventually bring up the situation where somebody is right below that limit when retired.

3) Reactivated Detectives now come back with 2 False Accusations. There was a 30 minute period there after the update where it was working incorrectly. Anybody who intentionally retires to get around paying off Shady will not profit.

4) I'm open to adjusting the reactivation penalties, if these are deemed too light. The concern I have with removing skills, is that opens up the opportunity to exploit the system to take back a skill purchase you are unhappy with (the wait may be shorter in that case).


BadAss
BadAss
Charioteer

Jan-25-2007 17:48

I agree that a one time thing doesn't take away the grief if you have to experience it at some point later. Though I also think players would recognize they were given a chance and you can't keep appealing on mercy infinitely.

I would be more in favor to increase the number of resurrections in relation to experience points you built up or the amount of unspent skill points you can trade in. That way it feels more like you earned this chance instead of making it an option for everyone regardless whether this player is two days old or 500 days old.



Solve A Lot2
Solve A Lot2
Assistant Postman

Jan-25-2007 18:16

Why not implement the system of increasing the allowance of FA's based on Exp points?

biggie528
biggie528
Lucky Stiff

Jan-25-2007 18:23

I think that would be a better solution also. One more FA for every million or do you think thats too little?

Solve A Lot2
Solve A Lot2
Assistant Postman

Jan-25-2007 18:34

I am not sure what the levels should be, people want to maintain a challenge.

I suggest:
0 - 1 million points = 3 FA's
1.01 - 6 million pts = 4 FA's
6.01 - 20 million pts = 5 FA's

I think the more experience you have, the harder it is to come up with money to pay off shady. Once you have 2 FA's, you are too afraid to work on cases and your opportunity to make money is limited

Secret_Squirrel
Secret_Squirrel
Safety Officer

Jan-25-2007 19:28

I think it's great that all the people who've been retired can come back.

Even all the people who in a moment of whimsy retired their detective now have that option too :D

And we'v all been whining long enough about a rule change of sorts to help out with Shady.

This may not be perfect, but it in the short term it serves it's purpose, and maybe in the long term Ben will come up with something that incorporates game play & Shady.

Badass's basic concept in the other thread was a good start for a resurrection feature. And SAL2 & biggies points per FA isn't bad either, though I'd like to see 4FA's kick in at 5mil.

Thansk Ben :D

nonaddict2
nonaddict2

Jan-25-2007 20:35

well, some of us have actually had detectives 2 years ago and retired shortly after activation, but i have since made several detectives that got retired, i'm not sure i want to bring them back as i have had far more experience in this detective than any others in the past... and if i ever had to retire... i'm not sure what i would do then... but it would be my decision to make at that time... but i'm glad i do have an option.

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