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Colonel Shanty
Colonel Shanty

May-27-2005 14:58

Did you know that . . . . ? I am posting facts about religious people and saints. Why don't you? Share some. This could be a great discussion on popes, nuns, saints etc.

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Seijitsuu
Seijitsuu

May-28-2005 18:28

On the subject of winding up Jehovah's Witnesses, I find the bible thing very effective, but if I cant be bothered I just tell them I'm Catholic (I'm not) and that gets rid of them pretty quick.

John Hale
John Hale
Yarn Weaver

May-28-2005 19:00

Here's one point of religious history that I discovered recently. You all may find this interesting, especially since it's a rare reversal of the common advice given to the religious (especially Christians) to take religous writings more metaphorically than literally.

It has to do with Hell.

The word Hell is descended from the nordic Hel, which was the name for the goddess of the frozen wastes (and clearly not the ancestry of the hell we all know and fear, for a variety of reasons). In the translation from the Greek, the word Hell was used as the primary replacement for another word, Gehenna. The origins of the word "Gehenna" are very amusing.

Gehenna is a translation into greek of the Hebrew word Gai-Ben-Hinnom, literally "Valley of the Sons of Hinnom". This was a real area outside of Jerusalem's wall where once upon a time the worshippers of Molech performed their rites (I won't name them as children are no doubt reading this, but let's just say that Milton made him into a demon with good reason). After the fall of Tophet, their shrine to Molech, the land was considered cursed. As such, they used it to burn trash and, occasionally, the bodies of those who were denied proper burial. The fires were stoked almost non-stop, from what I've read, right outside the walls of Jerusalem. The burned were criminals and heretics, people that were condemned to Gai-Ben-Hinnom for their sins. Remember that in this time period, being denied proper burial was about as bad a punishment as you could get.

In essence, this information states the real nature of Hell. It's the flip side of the oft-used "metaphoric" analysis. Hell is very real, so real in fact that it's on this Earth. It's just not all that religion makes it out to be.

Sorry for the long post, but abridging history tends to be a bad idea.

Autumnsprings
Autumnsprings
Con Artist

May-28-2005 20:15

Very interesting! When you say Milton made him into a demon, are you referring to Milcom?

John Hale
John Hale
Yarn Weaver

May-28-2005 21:40

No. I'm referring to John Milton's "Paradise Lost", It and Dante's "Divine Comedy" are largely responsible for the dramatization of the concept. Dante gave it structure while Milton gave it social heirarchy.

mrs.zane
mrs.zane
Well-Connected

May-29-2005 05:02

Has anyone read Isaac Asminov's guide to the bible? I recomend it!

mrs.zane
mrs.zane
Well-Connected

May-29-2005 05:04

But I have been posessed since the age of 13. You might want to consider that.

DaRu
DaRu
Well-Connected

May-29-2005 18:01

Here's my comment, and please no hate mail...hehe. Well, according to the bible, "King James Version", it says that no man sees eye to eye, and in another scripture, we should all work out our soul salvation with fear and trembling. It also states we're not to argue the scriptures. Discussing them is one thing, but to argue is not pleasing to God. Now, if we're born again, & have PEACE in our hearts, why open ourselves up to anything that would take away that peace or cause confusion. At II Tim, 2:15, it says to study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, but rightly divides the word of truth...and so on. Alot of religions or faiths believe they'll be the only ones to make Heaven, and all others excluded. I feel that people from every religion will make it, as along as they've a pure heart before God. There's a saying that I've heard which says: "It doesn't matter what name tag you wear, because that name tag is either going to blow off going up, or burn off going down. OK, with that said...I hope you all still love me. Bye for now.

DaRu
DaRu
Well-Connected

May-29-2005 18:17

PS: What I stated above was just a little food for thought, & actually got off the subject quite a bit, so sorry about that. Though I'm not Catholic, I respect the faith and find the subject interesting.

Daniella Jewel
Daniella Jewel

May-29-2005 19:07

Did ya'll know that in most religions there is a common fasting? and yet... the public is against moral dieting and starvation- I find that peculiar...

Texan
Texan

May-29-2005 23:43

Daniella, yes, I do believe in fasting. In my life time I have fasted many times. Sometimes for as long as one meal, and up to a maxium of 20 days. I've always tried to fast when I felt impressed of the Lord to do so. It is very dangerous to fast long periods of time without feeling led of the Lord. I've always tried to be obedient when I felt the need to fast. I'm not quite sure what you mean when you say moral dieting and starvation. But, I do believe that we live in a world that is diet crazy and yes, people literally starve themselves for the sole purpose of quote, "looking good".






































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