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May-15-2005 17:52

Hello,

I usually handle disciplinary actions pretty behind the scenes and not make a big deal out of them. This issue has come to a point that I figured it would be worth trying to talk out publicly.

The player known as Big Baller has had his share of run-ins with a few people in this game. I've talked to him once or twice about complaints I've gotten about him.

Some of his behavior I've been complained to about is clearly in violation of the rules of our community (although I admint that the rules of conduct are not well documented right now in a centralised place), and some things were not really against the rules, but things that people here typically frown on (i.e. attemping to poach members from other agencies).

I think it's pretty easy for people who are new to sleuth to make similar mistakes. We are, after all, a little less permissive (and consequently, quite a bit more civil) than public internet sites.

Anyway, I've talked to him recently and he said he's willing to be a little better community member. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

One problem is that he's made enough enemies that other people are jumping on his threads without giving him much chance. So, of course, h get's defensive and continues to come off in a negative light.

So, anyway, please give him a chance to start over. Hopefully if we extend that courtesy to him, he'll be able to live up to his end of the bargain.

May-15-2005 20:01

This guy has just ticked me off. But......

I have no problem with giving him a third chance to try again. It's like I stated once before, it's entirely up to him to show his worth. Good luck to ya Big Balla. I hope you find the joy of the game and the community.

May-16-2005 03:54

As I know a lot of people in this community, and often also get contacted by strangers that are in freak out mode....

I think Big Balla, for many of us, has gone too far. In order to suddenly be OK with him, because he is mending his ways. Or to believe him in doing so. After all, most of the stuff he writes on the board are nothing but lies, compared to what he is doing behind the scene's over PM.

I know Ben, he told he was going to mend his ways. But signs point to that he hasn't. Yesterday he was still pretending to be someone else, and two days ago a thread had to be deleted due to foul language in which he not only said he did not care that no one thinks it is OK to recruit in other agencies, and told this community to f*ck off.

What I mean with going too far, is that this guy first for many reasons misbehaved as Jovan. Then created Big Balla....contacted the same people and agencies to join he previously pissed off again...pretending to be someone else. And again misbehaved in the same way.

I think if this guys only transgression was contacting people about wanting a girlfriend. Then realizing this is not the place for it, and apologize. Many of us would have given him a second chance. But with some it went much further then just looking for a girlfriend.

Either public or private apology we have not seen. Nor any other evidence he changed his ways, quite opposite.

If you sum up all he has done, all he has said, all he is still saying, all I have heard from others. It just doesn't feel right to me, to let an unsuspecting newbie join him. I am sure many feel the same.

Frankly, people in here have been booted for a lot less. No one else has been allowed to lie so much on the board, yell at people over PMs, and PM people unwantingly about sexual topics. Which goes a bit farther, then asking someone if she is single or not.

May-16-2005 04:05

Considering this place is for 13 and up, worries me with an individual like that around.

May-16-2005 06:16

I think that before the community can put this behind us, there needs to be some sort of apology. So far, all we have heard is lies and denials. Until he can admit that he has been out of order, there is no reason why we should forgive him. He has annoyed a LOT of people but if he had indeed turned over a new leaf, i have no problems at all with him staying here. I realise that others who he may have been a little more 'direct' with may feel differently, but either way, Big balla/jovan, we wait expectantly for your apology!
*stops and listens*

May-16-2005 07:12

I usually don't have a problem giving people a second chance but Big Balla/Jovan ,no matter what he says on message boards or in PM's to anyone about how he wants to change, is nothing but a liar and I think he will say anything now, just because he sees how many negative responses he is getting toward him.
I,personally, have no use for people like him and even an apology wouldn't change my mind. He is a fake and I don't think he will ever change but he will make it seem he has changed with some people AND on the message board. I don't and won't buy it.
He should've been kicked out a long time ago but I respect Ben for giving him the benefit of the doubt. I just won't do it because I've seen him too many times in action in PM's....and it is totally different than how he is on the boards. He comes across as the "oh poor me" type, and that he is the innocent one. He is far from that.

He is crude ,rude and won't get any compassion or kindness from me...and even tho he did PM me and apologize , I won't accept it. Maybe that's not right but that's how it is on my end :) When I ask someone to quit talking the garbage that he was, numerous of times nicely and he doesn't respect that, then he doesn't deserve to be immediately forgiven.

He should still be warned about to new people coming in .....because I just don't think he will change, no matter what HE says.

I respect everyone who wants to give him a second chance but I just can't give him that from me. He doesn't deserve it. This is a wonderful community and everyone here is very nice, fun, and respectful even when there are differences, and people like HIM shouldn't be allowed to be apart of something so great. It's like someone who doesn't know how to act in society...that would be him. I have no respect for liars and disrespectful people.

I won't say anymore...I think I've said it all right here. *grin*

May-16-2005 07:33

Its kind of hard to give him a third chance. I mean he had it the first time after his Javan got retired. then after he was kicked out from our agency as Bib Balla when he started pulling the same thing as Javan was He asked and told one of my agents this in pm.
Big Balla told one of my agents he was Jerking off and it felt good. Then he asked this agent if they liked 3 somes? Another one of my agents told me he kept asking them personal questions about things you only want your family and friends to know. I have saved messages from him in Pm's cussing people out big time.

How many chances should one person get. I for one think he has had enough. These people don't change their ways. They have 2 very different personalities. Plus as jstkdn said he told everyone to bleep off on the board. Just my 2 cents worth.

May-16-2005 09:22

I can't help but feel everyone has been excessively lenient in this particular case. Numerous members, including moderators, went to great efforts to explain in a kind manner what is basic social etiquette and some even defended him in certain instances.

I think it is very dangerous to allow him to continue to be among a community in which there could be kids as young as thirteen that may be subjected to what he dished out. Even if there were not children that young, I do not see why any of the female, paying subscribers to this game should be made to feel uncomfortable or threatened by unwanted advances.

To be truthful, I don't understand at all why he's continuing as a member of this community.

May-16-2005 11:08

I just wonder what "changing his ways" means. Does that mean, that instead being offensive in 1 or 2 PMs, it now takes him 6 or 7? It only means he hasn't changed, but instead just turned more manipulative. Instead of flashing us in the park, he now gives us candy first and takes us to his agency HQ....????

I think some very strong people come out to speak up in this and other threads. The people that cut him off after the first PM, as I did.

Frankly, I know I can be a total bitch, if I need to be. I am just worried about people that are a lot nicer and less vocal then me.

May-16-2005 11:17

Hey I am new to this game, but was Pm by this guy. He seems a little off to me. He was seriously trying to get personal info from me and was not successful, but if a younger kid was to fall prey to this it might be a problem. They might not know not to give out info to people over the net. I don't know, but he is giving off a wierd vibe.

May-16-2005 11:25

I realize this is not Survivor, however the majority should rule. I want him out!!!
Anyone talking about masterbating while talking to angent should not be allowed to play here. This guy is bad news and will continue to be. We come here for good clean fun and he is here to cause trouble. I do not want to be part of a X rated community.
Ben, please don't be part of "the good old boy community". He is a man who is offending us. HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT LAST WEEK!!!!!