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sirgarr
sirgarr

Mar-5-2004 22:03

Does anybody ever *falsely* suspect someone based on specific evidence (blood, watch)?

Does any evidence at the crime scene ever *falsely* point to someone (an innocent person's hair)?

Trying to figure out if you only need one piece of evidence to accuse someone.

- It would be awesome if this weren't the case and that people would lie or there'd be complications about the crime scene built into the plot. "The innocent person's hair was there because she was there the night before." "Person X lied to you about suspecting person Y because of a personal agenda."
- But if not, it would be cool to know that there's only one piece of evidence needed to speed up how long it takes to solve a case.

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Kitten
Kitten

Mar-9-2004 07:54

Btw, this was on Easy difficulty, so you can encounter misleading physical evidence on all, or almost all, levels!

sirgarr
sirgarr

Mar-9-2004 18:16

There's always physical evidence that doesn't point to the killer.

There's sometimes physical evidence, or a eyewitness account, that points to -somebody else- besides the murderer. That's when things get trickier .... But I think that whenever this is the case, that -somebody else- has a legit alibi.

Kitten
Kitten

Mar-10-2004 06:47

What I was asking about earlier was whether two or more people could say they suspected the _same_ person and still be mistaken/lying? There may or may not be yet other people saying it was somebody else. I've never seen two eywitness accounts towards the same person be false evidence, so I'm just wondering if this really is a thing to be trusted 100%.

Sleuth Admin
Sleuth Admin
Tale Spinner

Mar-10-2004 07:51

Sirgar and Kitten,

The answer to most of your questions is, "Yes that can happen". The rule of thumb is, you can be sure that somebody is guilty if:

a) They have a motive (as some of you noted, almost everybody has a motive)

b) They don't have a valid alibi

c) There is at least one piece of physical or witness evidence pointing to them.

That said, there are certain patterns that you may recognise, that are level dependent, about evidence density, etc. I won't spell that out too much (these are mysteries after all), but once you get used to playing a certain level of difficulty, there are shortcuts.


Fat Chuck
Fat Chuck

Mar-12-2004 08:42

Hi admin,
I disagree with your previous post. I realize you programmed it so you should know, but maybe there is an error in the post?

I just accused someone with a motive, no alibi and one witness pointing to them at intermediate level. The accusation was false. I'm guessing you need at least ~two~ pieces of evidence (verbal and/or physical), motive and no alibi.

This was in a situation where I was able to check on 7 of 8 physical evidence matches. All were negative. 13 or 14 verbal checks were all but one negative too. (There were 4 without alibis at intermediate. I can't check up 100% on that many.)


sirgarr
sirgarr

Mar-15-2004 17:19

Hi Fat Chuck,

Did they clam up and not give an alibi? Maybe they had an alibi that you didn't find out?

On Very Very Difficult, I've always been able to use "no alibi / fake alibi" and "one piece of evidence."

Sleuth Admin
Sleuth Admin
Tale Spinner

Mar-15-2004 20:11

Fat Chuck,

Yes, I've heard one other person mention a similar bug. I haven't seen it yet myself, but it's possible. I'll look into it.



Fat Chuck
Fat Chuck

Mar-16-2004 08:53

I drew up a matrix in Excel with exactly what I knew. In this particular case the wrongly accused had no alibi (not fake and not clammed up). If you think it might help I can mail it to you.


sxynsweet69
sxynsweet69

Mar-21-2004 10:00

I'm still doing the beginning level and I have found contradicting physical evidence but no other contradicting evidence. It could be that I just haven't run across any other contradicting evidence don't know yet since I haven't done that much

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Nomad

Sep-3-2008 16:25

Wow. To think we take for granted the formula we have today. It's all thanks to these guys.

*takes off hat and bows head in memorium while cheesy sappy music plays in the background*

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