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Apr-1-2005 04:26

Would love the sidebar option one vote here.
Agency Directors should have the ability to view all agents stats. and skills EX.-Cases Quit, Cases Solved, False Accusations and Det. skills this would help with agency goals and directing the group as a whole in common direction. Only for their own agents , once agent leaves so goes the accessability. Any takers???

Apr-5-2005 17:07

Everyone is worried about agents having something to hide that might be worth knowing to the director of and agency. But lets say that the person you are looking to hire has been to a few agencies. Your solution is to basically check their references. So you talk to the director of a few agencies and hear all sorts of stuff about this prospective agent. Now, any director will take another directors word over the word of a detective looking to become involved in an agency. Because of course this prospective agent is going to say things to make them look good. And your mind is made up! What if this person left the agency because of unfair dealings? What if the director of the agency was the problem? Now you have taken a directors word as gold because they are a "DIRECTOR" and dismissed someone who has done nothing wrong and is doing nothing more than looking to be a part of a decent agency. Lets face it, you will not catch a director saying "Yeah so & so left because i was stealing their cases and then talking bad about them behind their back to the other Director". Everyone is just assuming that every director out there does nothing wrong and speaks only the truth...and if an agent has left an agency (or more than one) then they must be up to no good. That just is not always the case. I agree with Peter.Hire them and if you are unhappy then boot em! Just because someone is a director, doesnt make them right!

Apr-6-2005 08:18

No, Moon. I am a director and I am not like that. I am aware I am not perfect and if I am taking someone on who has a bit of a troubled past I would want to know about it. That doesn't mean I wouldn't take them on. Sometimes, you might have been let go because you weren't playing enough and have more time available. Well, that sounds a reasonable reason for leaving an agency. Maybe you had a personality clash. We all know people in real life who we don't get along with. It doesn't mean to say it will be the same with the next agency. Even if you made a big mistake like took something from an agency you shouldn't. As long as you tried to make amends, most people would give you a second chance. However, if you had been in lots of agencies and had lots of problems, it would take longer to build up trust. At Sirens, we have always waited to promote to agent once trust is established. And we have had to let people go because they don't suit. I can only think of one from many who I would give a bad reference to and it was pretty bad what they did. They might have changed for the better but that is for the new agency to find out. The others all left for a good reason and I would recommend them to any other agency and probably be able to help them get a place in another agency rather than hinder. I don't think I'm a cut above any other agent or detective because I am a director. And I take exectption to you suggesting we are all the same and think we are some type of Gods.

Apr-6-2005 10:43

Mary...you are replying like I was talking about you personally, To quote..."No, Moon. I am a director and I am not like that". Well Mary there are directors who are indeed like that. I just think everybody should realize that. I never even implied that all directors are the same. On the contrary I was pointing out the opposite. Everyone was talking like all directors would be honest when questioned about a prospective agent. I was merely pointing out that there are 2 sides to every story and that it would not be fair to base your decision completely on the here say of a director. I am simply pointing out that it can go either way, but if one director relies on the word of another director then the truth will not always be told. I know there are people on this site that are indeed up to no good (Directors, Officers and Agents alike). I was simply helping people to see both sides of the coin because they were only speaking of one side. I too am a director, granted not for long but I know what happened where i was previously and the director of that agency was the issue. As a director I don't find it necessary with a prospective agent to interview previous directors like I am hiring them in real life. I take this game seriously, but it is still just that...a game. I also know that when talking to a director i will not always get the truth. I merely allow them in and do not promote them until, like you said Mary, trust has been established. Besides, if everytime a prospective agent wants to join my agency, do I really want to spend my time listening to here say from both sides? Personally, I can think of other ways to spend my time on here instead of becoming Jerry Springer because I am listening to 2 people bash each other. What do i care if they had problems? Lets face it...there are people out there who are not who we would want in our agency but there are just as many that we would, but is there a real sure fire... no miss way to filter them out?

Apr-6-2005 13:15

You did really bash directors. I was asked when I joined an agency about any other characters, if I had been in any other agencies, etc. I hadn't. We all have a little history but we should as directors be able to choose with the full story if we wish. It is my perogative to ask questions about a potential agent or not as I wish. And if anyone asked, I would find time to answer any questions. Reading through this thread, other directors agree they would like to be able to do this. As it is up to the directors to run the agency they should have the right to ask or not. An option doesn't make it compulsory. And my name is Marylou, not Mary.

Apr-6-2005 14:39

We could go back and forth about this MARYLOU... but we dont see eye to eye. I am not "bashing" directors...why are you taking this so personal. Face it... NOT ALL DIRECTORS ARE HONEST nor are they FAIR to deal with. This is not my opinion this is FACT! I posted my thread because i was tired of reading about how people would rely on directors comments. All i wanted to point out is that DIRECTOR doesnt mean HONEST! On the very same hand just because a detective has been with an agency or two does NOT make them "up to no good" or dishonest. I am not telling anyone how to choose an agent. To each their own. But if directors are going to rely on other directors to aid in making a decision of who to allow in their agency then i think it should be handled fairly and by fairly i mean dont just assume that the director is honest. My first experience on this site was anything but pleasant and it was due to a dishonest, unfair director on a power trip! I will continue to defend detectives like myself against directors like THAT! I am now a Director and proud to say that I judge NO ONE based on what a director tells me. Now get off my case. I am entitled to my opinion and entitled to post a message expressing that opinion. You dont have to agree or like it. But stop accusing me of bashing directors. There are some good and decent directors out there just as there are some good and decent detectives out there. Best Of Luck telling them apart.

Apr-6-2005 14:42

Just to let you know... I am under my husbands detective. But that message above is from Moon Lighter. Merely was not paying attention to what detective i was under when i replied. My apologies

Apr-6-2005 14:43

One director is not the other, one agent is not the other. I think that Moon Lighter was trying to make a point that it can be not just agents, but also directors that are a problem. This wasn't quite clear in her first post though. (Which did come across a bit, as director bashing.) And directors are not holy either. I do want to take some responsibility for Moon Lighters little outburst...I was the one just mentioning agents the whole time. So fair is fair, she can mention directors the whole time too.

She is right, you can not take any directors reference at face value. However, I do take peoples advise that I know a little better. Or of which I know they are good sleuths. I know many people do this, I get a lot of questions starting with "you seem to know everybody." In all honesty, it is only rarely that I do know that person. I usually have to refer them to someone I do know a bit better. Usually they are directors (as they are the one in the know), sometimes they are agents. I have been running an agency for a year now, and some people can seriously ruin your entertainment. As I come here to practice to hobby, for some reason I'd like it to be fun. As a put in a lot of time in to my hobby, I don't want to risk someone else taking it down.

In all honesty to me, playing less or more, doesn't make someone a good or bad agent. Reuning someones good time, does though.

Apr-6-2005 15:35

My intention was not to ruffle anyones feathers. I just wanted to point out that directors can be just as much a problem as anyone else. I know from first hand experience. I agrre with jstkdn from the stand point that no one wants to see what they have worked hard for be demolished by anyone. I have one more question however... While everyone is coming up with ideas to protect a director and their agency... what about protecting that agent that gives every extra dime they have to support an agency... what about that agent who spends money on treasure hunt information for that agency? what about that agent that puts all of his/her time into this agency? Who protects them? Who makes sure that when they are offered or ask to join and agency that they are not getting more than they bagained for from a director? Who makes sure that the agent leaves with everything the came with and contributed? Answer... no one. It is a gamble. No one seems to consider the agents. AGAIN... I am not bashing directors like some of you think ... i just believe that EVERYONE has a right to be protected... not just directors. I know that as an agent I worked hard to get the money i contributed and believed in an agency so much i was willing to do whatever was necessary for the success of the agency. I left and lost everything i worked hard for...money, equipment and friends. I was just wondering who protect people like that? I believe that directors should have means of somehow protecting themselves, but so should the people joining.

Apr-6-2005 16:02

Ah, isn't sleuth fun! Espionage! It a good thing the is no actual "Murder Skill."
To all the cool detectives: You Rock! It is an honor to be able to work/play with you.
To all the suckters: Well, I know know you yet, so...nevermind.
Thanks again to the nonvindictive respectful dectives!
*clicks rootbeer mugs*

Apr-7-2005 09:21

I think for agents it is easier. They can leave. Directors could too, but the built and own the agency. Agents are always expected to contribute less then an officer, or director. Best thing is that they do not give away all of their marbles, unless there is a promotion in sight, or even better they know and love the agency and it's director.

What is unfortunate that some poor expecting newbies end up in the wrong place. There is not much to do about that. Bottom line, I was an agent too. It is not only me having to get in to the grace of a director, it is also the director and agency.....to get in to mine.