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Secret_Squirrel
Secret_Squirrel
Safety Officer

Jun-17-2012 17:57

Everything old is new again... or maybe not.

And let me start with a preemptive "Puh-lease, freedom of speech and all that aside, let's not turn this in to a debacle."

So, 'some' people have been getting up my a... err I mean politely pointing out to me, that the whole "some people have more than two subs in the same agency, and isn't that against the 'rules'" is banging away behind the scenes.

I've asked Ben to look at this with a view to scrapping the concept that more than two subs in the same agency is a 'bad' thing.

To be bluntly honest it's never been particularly well policed unless it was by self-policed by certain players who were trying to edge out the competition in Treasure Hunts.

My personal opinion is that the 'againsts' never really equalled the 'fors', and that we're at the point where as a community the TH scene just isn't that cutthroat any more.

So, I'm more than happy to go with the flow, as I suspect no-one really minds anymore.

But I'll leave the final word to Ben, of course.

Please feel free to discuss politely.

Please limit your lunatic ravings to a minimum nic :D

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Serges
Serges
Vigilante

Jun-17-2012 21:04

I'm calling shenanigans on that, Nic. I've been in chat with you before, madam. :)

Lady Emerald Devon
Lady Emerald Devon
Nomad

Jun-17-2012 22:36

Bluntly: It was people who had more than two subbed detectives in agencies that kept paying subs while a good many people who were against took off.

I think people should play their own game, worry about them and theirs are leave each to their own.

With password sharing, it made this rule irrelevant anyway.

We go on and on about define control or whatever but it boils down to one thing: this is just a game.

If you really care that someone SPENDS MONEY which helps keep this game afloat and spends THEIR OWN TIME playing the game, maybe you need to look at why winning means that much to you.

I know that even when you have passwords for everyone in a 12 person agency and everyone is active, you still don't always win hunts. A lot of it is luck.

Vampiric Smile
Vampiric Smile
Safety Officer

Jun-17-2012 23:36

SS thank you for bringing it up as this issue has cost me and my agency the loss of a great friend and player. Ken left the game because he was accused by a mod of not respecting a code that was not actually existing!
My opinion is
1. When someone wants to pay for more subs ...he/she is free to do it as investing in this game is the only viable way to keep it alive. I hardly have time to control VS and Guiltfinder (and occasionally my daughter's Vampirion) as I am very busy in real life but if someone wants to play sleuth all day....he/she is free to do it 100%.
2. In the past maybe this issue was important as we all remember a player controlling 18 (lol maybe even more) characters in the game... but now (as far as I know at least) none is controlling more than 4. If you really think that 4 are a lot...then I could only give you the example of WoW. There officially a player can control 10 characters in a server and a total of 50 characters across servers! Don't they know that this is an advandage? Ofc they know!....they simply say that if you have time to invest in the game then it is fair! You invest in time play->you get all benefits for doing so!
3. Generally speaking controling multiple characters is not unfair at all as all players can do it! If you don't have time or money to do so ....the least you can do is respect those who can and are willing to do so because they support the game more than you so it is fair to get more benefits for doing so!
4. Passwords sharing is not the same and is actually the only trully unfair behaviour because it does not contribute to the game advancement meaning that it does not bring investments in the game. I know agencies that are placing detectives on favors around a city. Those characters are not played at all...they simply sit on a favor waiting the TH to come to them and only then they are activated.

Vampiric Smile
Vampiric Smile
Safety Officer

Jun-17-2012 23:37

This strategy YES is unfair as the players behind this behaviour do not invest time or money in the game and they only do it to get aTreasure faster making absolutely no effort for it.
5. We are now in a beautiful phase in the game. People are coming back and the community is regrowing. Night Queen (a couple of months ago) , Riza, Molly are running tournaments, Biggie and Serges try to revive AVLs etc...so the least we can do is stop complaining for less important issues and concentrate at the main core of the game....simply people let's play the game!
I would like to finish with a small remark. Moderators should be very cautious when they apply their authority. This game cannot afford to lose players like ken especially now that the community is regrowing. Te respect between casual players and moderators should be mutual


Ms Helen
Ms Helen
Con Artist

Jun-18-2012 00:05

"maybe you need to look at why winning means that much to you."

Because I get such a sense of satisfaction kicking biggie's arse in treasure hunts :D

But yes, whilst I agreed with the rule all those years ago now to be blunt I couldn't care less if someone wants to control 12 or more detectives, I suspect there may be a couple who already do and if so that's great for them, I personally can barely manage my own cases ;) If that makes me a hypocrite so be it, no ones perfect :)


nicnic
nicnic
Battered Shoe

Jun-18-2012 00:18

Oh I forgot to say......

UNCLEAN

*rings bell*

That's for you Squirrel. ;-)

Cordelia Falco
Cordelia Falco
Battered Shoe

Jun-18-2012 01:14

^ what Leddie said :)

(I have three detectives, in two agencies. Sometimes all three are subbed at the same time, more often it's just Cordy. The other two got all excited a couple of years ago cos they won a treasure hunt all on their own, so now they sit there polishing their trophy and dreaming of the glory days. They're unlikely to win another treasure hunt because a) the first one was a hell of a fluke and b) I rarely play Sleuth for two consecutive days, let alone more than that.

Originally I didn't put Cordy in the same agency because of the only two subs per agency rule. Now I keep her on her own because she has different goals and it's nice to be able to move the agency around wherever she needs it. So whatever happens here - and I'm a big fan of ignoring the issue - I'll be keeping the two separate agencies.)

Eden Zweig
Eden Zweig
Nomad

Jun-18-2012 07:15

What? Is that true about Ken? You know multiple accounts used to annoy me until I realized it was the only way for agencies to maintain their previous level of activity after people quit the game.

This is bad. I'm trying hard to keep myself from ranting and raving.

You know, here is how you can solve it all: Why not remove the scores page altogether and make the properties of all agencies equal and allow room for only 5 people.

I think Mods should talk to game producers. Sorry about that.

There are so many things to be said about multiple accounts and game policy and sidekicks that I doubt whether you'd want to delve that deep into the debate.

I know my post sounds offensive, and I'm really sorry for that, but I am sort of upset and I blame myself for this. Oh I need to talk to some people right now.

biggie528
biggie528
Lucky Stiff

Jun-18-2012 08:52

It doesn't sound offensive, its just confusing. I'm not really sure what you're saying Eden :)

Eden Zweig
Eden Zweig
Nomad

Jun-18-2012 09:33

Someone leaves the game because of accusations concerning multiple accounts and I am saying that if this Mod wants to be honest about it, really, s/he had better ask the game developers about that. Don't know if Ben is one of the creators/owners of this game so I was speaking in general terms.

Choosing one among people who have clones and accusing him, rather than preferring a general statement as to what this game is lacking and making this statement to game developers... I'm saying that this sounds bad.

Ken could only be an example to this case. It's the rules that need or need not be devised. Not people.

As for the rest of it... Well that's intended for few people to understand, so np there I guess :)

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