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Jan-13-2012 02:16

Hi. I think I'll never be able to leave this board:

Could one of you please tell me how to prevent the following kind of false accusation from happening?

I had 5 suspects: Elizabeth, Josephine, Pierre, Charles and Samuel

PE #1: Left Handed Handwriting: Charles
PE #2: Right-handed Handwriting: Elizabeth, Josephine, Pierre, Samuel
PE #3: Slim person Footprint: Elizabeth
PE #4: Thread from a female: Elizabeth, Josephine

PE#1 : handwriting doesn't belong to Charles
PE#3: footprint doesn't belong to Elizabeth

PE#2: the right-handed handwriting belongs to neither Pierre, nor Samuel.

All in all: Suspects reduced to Elizabeth and Josephine.

Tailor asks for money and I start witness questioning.Those that answer the question say it's not Elizabeth and the rest either clammed up or said they didn't suspect Josephine either.

Because of those who clammed up from the start Elizabeth was still a suspect and I decided to eliminate Elizabeth, so that Josephine is left.

I bribed the tailor and the banker and they both told me that the PE at hand didn't belong to Elizabeth. So, I figured, the killer was Josephine.

Cause she was the only person left.

But it turned out it was Samuel.

This sometimes happens me, yesterday I made 3 false accusations. 2 of which seemed to be similar cases, I was frustrated but I thought it was possible that I made mistakes while noting down the info cause it's not likely that a computer programme will yield faulty results.

But I am dead sure about this one. I cannot grasp this. Could someone please explain what it is that I keep missing?

I fear getting retired again.



Jan-13-2012 03:14

I have all the smarts skills, I had all the fake alibi,

and skills don't matter, I had 4 detailed PE, and only one belonged to Samuel, and that contact said the PE(right-handed handwriting in this case) belonged to someone else. It wasn't Samuel.

Now is it possible that a suspect without any PE is the killer?


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Jan-13-2012 03:39

Hmm, sorry, wasn't fully awake when I posted me message. Erm... Well, really strange situation... It could be some kind of gamebug then? I really dnno an answer to this.. it's a really strange situation tbh...


Jan-13-2012 03:58

Thank you for the replies.

The same thing seems to have happened to Summer Daze btw.

You can check and see under Sleuth Talk/WE versus PE

They say it's probably some glitch. I have no idea what frequency of glitch is normal but I am sad, sad, sad =)

I wonder if other players came across such weird situations.

(I lost my contacts 30 000 xp or something. small amount of money and god, am I naked =D , but this was yesterday and I hadn't checked my notes twice the way I did today before I ended up in this "strange" situation as you say, so it is my fault to have lost all those things I guess)

Cordelia Falco
Cordelia Falco
Battered Shoe

Jan-13-2012 04:18

I'm trying to get my head round this one - sorry if I've misunderstood anything!

I'm assuming that when you say you had 5 suspects you mean those were the people with fake/no alibis. So three of your pieces of PE belong to the other people with real alibis.

If the guilty person was Samuel then one of the pieces of PE should have been his. I've never ever had a case where that wasn't true, out of the 3500 or so that I've solved.

The problem is that it's a bit difficult to diagnose this sort of thing without access to the case itself - which of course is impossible once you've made the FA - or looking at the notes you take. If you're getting a lot of this sort of FA then it does seem likely to me that you might have a problem with your notes. It is easy to make mistakes when you're writing things down, or to mis-read what you've written.

I use a spreadsheet, which keeps things nice and clear (though of course it's not proof against my noting something down wrong!) I have a column for the suspect name, then the motive, then one for each type of evidence, one to record if they think they know who the murderer is, one to note if I don't have a motive for them, and a 'Notes' column (usually used for recording the results of WE questioning). I find it's the only way I can keep track of all the possibilities!


Jan-13-2012 04:33

Yes. I see what you mean.

Because it is very likely that I have made a mistake while writing things down I checked this one twice.

I realized I was not the only one telling the same thing, I brought this up to see whether experienced players have any idea. And you have an idea =)

If you say you never have come across such a problem in about 3500 cases, then I believe it was my mistake and not a glitch. What you say is kind of scientifically solid.

Furthermore, I see that the other user probably made a mistake, too.

I should thank you for about a thousand times Cordelia Falco =)

Cordelia Falco
Cordelia Falco
Battered Shoe

Jan-14-2012 00:06

'Scientifically solid' is probably taking it a bit far! There might theoretically have been cases in those 3500 where a suspect didn't have any PE, and I didn't know because I was relying on WE. Or there might have been a change in the game programming recently which caused a glitch that wasn't there before. All I can say is that I've never had that problem.

And you're very welcome :)

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