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Oct-30-2011 08:35

I am wondering if I have come across a conflict between two of the general 'rules of guilt' in Noir and would appreciate some feedback or enlightenment on this.

My understanding is that the following are both true:

~ Two pieces of witness evidence (WE) against a suspect = guilt
~ Elimination of all physical evidence (PE) against a suspect eliminates him/her from the crime.

Recently I had a case where I eliminated all but 2 of the suspects by checking PE. There was one final piece of PE that could have belonged to either of them - and the contact was at the bribing stage. I therefore decided to search for WE and - if I could only obtain one of these - use the final bribe with the contact to confirm.

I obtained one piece of WE against a suspect - let's call him Umesh (well that was his name) - but when I checked that final piece of PE with the contact the answer was negative. Well it must be the other fellow I thought (there had been lots of clamming) so I accused the other - only to find that the guilty party was indeed Umesh.

This has made me rather wary of eliminating suspects even when none of their PE checks out. I hope that the above makes sense and you can see where I am coming from? At the moment I am treading gingerly to say the least........

Oct-30-2011 15:38

The golden rule in sleuth is that if there isn't PE against a suspect then they can't be the guilty party.
What has likely happened is that at some point an error was made in the elimination of evidence from a suspect. This is likely to happen once you start logically eliminating suspects from the lists. From what I can tell, your logic is right. That would mean that either there was a glitch in the system or there was some kind of human error.
In all my years at sleuth the system has proven to be stable and free of malfunction, so, while possible-it isn't really likely. Sometimes you're unlucky and you just make a mistake. Sorry :(

Oct-31-2011 01:39

Thank you yoyo. Normally I'd tend to agree with you- but I can only stress that this event was quite different which is why I was moved to post on it. I am painstaking about recording and checking PE, never try to just keep it in my head etc. I'd also have to add that I am aware of several confirmed glitches that have occurred for people in the sister site (Shades) and, in my short time on Noir, both myself and another (very experienced) player have also come across one definite glitch - although unrelated to case solving.

But thanks for confirming my logic! :)

Oct-31-2011 06:17

Something is definitely odd regarding the PE. I had just accused a suspect who had a false alibi and a PE match only to have a false accusation screen appear. According to the rules PE + FA= Guilty.

Normally I too would say its a human error but after falsely accusing a suspect I knew had an alibi( mistakenly picked the suspect during my excitement of finally catching the culprit), I've since checked and double checked and triple checked before I even accuse anyone.

Has anyone else come across this particular glitch concerning the evidence besides me and Summer?

Oct-31-2011 23:51

Well if there is a glitch in the system, I am bound to find it. I seem to always be running across them.

Haven't had a falsie in a while. Like you Summer, I keep careful track of my cases. Time will tell with this issue. I do hope your episode was simply a case of human error.

Jan-5-2012 20:49

Hey this happened to me at least twice. (I write things down too)

Just so you know.