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Irene
Irene

Nov-26-2009 13:54

Some time ago, a thread was posted: what can I do for Sleuth? - and I was thinking about it. At that time, when I told about what I thought I could do, I was told that my "developer team" dream was completely dead. And, perhaps it was, in the format that was availiable at that time?

As some of you might know, I am a programmer of heart. People have been frustrated with me because of this earlier, but I do hope we may put this behind us? I have never forced anything onto any of you. My offer have always been completely free, for those who actually want it.

Same is true this time. I have noticed that other web pages that support Sleuth go inactive, and want to do something about it. I am working on putting up a web site with what I hope will be inspirational to some of you. (www.playsleuth2.com) If you visit and find that you don't like it, then, please don't return. The site is only intended for those of you who actually do like it and would want to help me extend it. Not everyone.

It's MUCH undone at the moment, but I AM working to get something up. The site is intended to be a place for the part of the community that always wanted to help add and give back to this great game. I hope you will understand that it's no competitor to the original - rather the oposite. It's meant to be supportive. This is "my" development team idea put into action, and I do hope you will see it as my contribution to what I can do for Sleuth.

There is a LOT I CANNOT do for Sleuth, and that's why I would like to connect with people who want to help. Especially writing and collecting...

Those of you who want to help me, send me a PM.
Those of you who don't want to, please don't mind what I am doing.
Want to know what it's about? - read the idea page.
Not everything is nailed down yet, and I would be happy to get suggestions.

This is intended as a one-time-post. Want to get rid of it? - bring other threads into focus. ;-

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Irene
Irene

Nov-26-2009 14:00

Yes, I do plan to bring up a Norwegian city for you to visit...
- and yes, it will be much snow there...
- as well as other things...

Yes, I do know it looks very poor and little at the moment, but, believe me, it's been a lot of work just to get to this point. And, I do have serious plans in my head for how I am to make the ideas I have listed come live.

Jojo
Jojo
Old Shoe

Nov-26-2009 18:54

I guess my question is, do you have the permission of Ben to do this?

ctown28
ctown28
Huntsman

Nov-26-2009 21:25

I was thinking the same thing Jojo. That and the fact that you need to login with user name and password that you use here. I am very big on internet security and I know iun the logging it says that password will not be logged if you turn logging off, but I will not be signing onto that site at all. One of the first rules of internet security with passwords is to NOT sign into different sites with the same password.

Sorry Irene, but it looks like you are not happy with the decision to not have a dev team so you are trying to take matters into your own hand and force it.

You may want to take that site down, unless you already have permission from Ben or you may be in Copyright violations

Heimlich VonVictor
Heimlich VonVictor
Vigilante

Nov-26-2009 23:30

Just checked it out and it looks pretty cool!

If Ben okays it, it could be a great place to test out features before they're released to a larger audience. In fact, I think some of the ideas from the HLI thread could be first tested on the site.

As for the matter of copyright infringement, it uses the same login server as Sleuth Noir. It just seems to be operating in a different shell with a few enhancements. I don't see how it's any different than Pidgeot's Automated Sleuth Helper.

I'm sure Irene didn't intend to infringe on the copyright, and would remove anything that Ben deemed to be infringing.

Sleuth Sindy
Sleuth Sindy
Pinball Wizard

Nov-26-2009 23:32

I think you actually log into Sleuth from her website, you're not logging into a Sleuth copy - rather in the way that you open the Automated Sleuth Helper and log onto Sleuth from there? However, I agree with you ctown about security issues and I only perused the "Main Idea" and didn't log onto the site itself.

I don't think it's a bad idea - kind of the site Serges put up - a Sleuth companion site - but I think Ben's permission is essential here.

Sleuth Sindy
Sleuth Sindy
Pinball Wizard

Nov-26-2009 23:33

Ha! That's what I get for being so slow to post Von Victor!

We were posting at the same time. :)

Ms Helen
Ms Helen
Con Artist

Nov-27-2009 06:40

OK so my first question has to be Did you get Ben's permission? If you did then my opinions are moot point really.

If you didn't then I think you're treading a very fine line here with copyright infringement. Now I know Ben normally is very easy going when it comes to people using images from Sleuth for help websites and such but this is completely different. Yes Serges made a sleuth explansion for a very small part of the game. However he had Ben's complete approval for it and he seeked permission BEFORE he made the site. As others have also said there is the security issues, On the avl site you had to register seperately as it was a different site entirely.

Copyright always has grey areas (I wish I payed more attention in my media law classes :s) but when you're talking about changing items and adding cities to someone elses game I'm fairly sure that's an infringement, regardless of whether it is the original site or a 'copied' site, unless of course they give permission. Whether it was intentionally done or not it has to be taken into consideration.

And I have to ask (apologies in advance if this sounds rude) If you have asked Ben if you can help develop his site and he has said no, why have you decided to go ahead and do it on another site? I'm guessing there is a reason he said no, maybe he didn't want people intefering with his pride and joy?

Vampiric Smile
Vampiric Smile
Safety Officer

Nov-27-2009 06:47

Hmmm…I must admit that I am a bit confused by some of the reactions in this post.
The post itself is a typical Irene post. We all know that Irene is in love with this game and she is always doing her best to make it a little bit more interesting and attractive. You may agree or disagree with her opinions-ideas (you all know that I have openly disagreed with her in many of her policies or in game ideas)…but I think that we all have to respect her as she is obviously the most active and supportive player in Sleuth. Can anybody imagine that this game can survive for long without Irene and her characters ?...I seriously doubt !...even financially she is contributing as 10 players thus keeping the game alive! So no matter if you agree or disagree with her…Irene has the right (more than any of us) to voice her thoughts and opinions.
Having said the above…
1. I see no reason to bring the issue of Ben’s rights. This is something between Ben and Irene and nobody else should care about or post. A private msg to Irene would have been more than enough.
2. You know that I am personally against any password sharing so I find it difficult to understand what ctown is talking about. Ctown has clearly stated that his agency is a password sharing Agency so he has shared (at least in the past) passwords with Irene ! He trusted her enough in the past to share passwords with her but he is not trusting her anymore?? Does he really believe that Irene is doing the site to take the passwords!? That is at least an unfair thought! Irene has access (directly or indirectly) to the passwords of maybe the 50% of the detectives in the game…so claiming that she is not satisfied with this amount is at least not polite. Furthermore Irene is giving a Warning concerning the passwords and that alone proves her innocence.
3. The statement… ‘Sorry Irene, but it looks like you are not happy with the decision to not have a dev team so you are trying to take matters into your own hand and force it’ …is a bitter personal attack. I wouldn’t expect such an expression from some

Vampiric Smile
Vampiric Smile
Safety Officer

Nov-27-2009 06:48

4. The suggestion ‘You may want to take that site down’ is not a democratic suggestion and is not respecting her efforts and the hard work she has put behind. I would recommend instead that You may want not to visit her site at all.


All the above mentioned are not meant to be a vote for the site at all !…simply I don’t like when others try to discourage or criticize people who obviously try to make fun of their hobby. Invest their time and contribute in this game.



Aknas
Aknas
Con Artist

Nov-27-2009 07:47

Irene LOVES this game with a PASSION. Really. Seriously!!! She never left this game, and if she did, it was only for a short period of time and probably for only a month. Whereas most of us left for longer periods (Noir burn-out, RL stuff,etc.). She also has contributed a lot to this game (contests, free subs etc). Although perhaps, some of us can also say, I contributed a lot to this game too, but not with the kind of intensity she has.

Now, I am not taking sides here nor defending her. What I am just trying to say is, if we can see how much she loves this game, we might understand why she is doing what she is doing.

As for the copyright thing and stuff... it's for the experts.

:)

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