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All I Want for Christmas is a Shady Cap
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sunny
sunny
Lady of Shadows

Dec-15-2007 12:59

So, as you may have noticed the "Beating a Dead Horse" discussion has been archived. (A post started by Roamie about the perceived steepness of Shady prices). Be assured that everyone's opinion was read and appreciated here in the Sleuth Admin household. We would like to put an offer on the table: cap at 1 mil.

Please let us know what you think and based on your posts, we'll make a decision by Christmas morning.*

*Disclaimer:
This message is not intended to promote and/or belittle Christmas. You do not have to celebrate Christmas or any other winter holiday in order to post here.

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roamie
roamie
Well-Connected

Dec-16-2007 12:14

wow, rare occassion. I agree with R Anstett. lol But only about getting rid of resurrection.

I still want the cap! ;-D Do people really have big hoarded bank accounts? I'm too busy helping out my agency to hoard a big bank account. How about giving me some Money, honey? Come on R. Send some my way.

Kirstie Bones
Kirstie Bones
Old Shoe

Dec-16-2007 13:55

I,m all for the cap.

Dont get me wrong I know shady is part of the game and he keeps you on your toes, but I dont think a 1 mill cap is unrealistic or would make us less careful. It is still a large amount of money to find, and would still hurt to hand it over.

I think the amounts you pay as a 'newbie's', is realistic in the fact that they make you learn a valuable lesson. By the time youve hit the one mill mark, its a rare occurrance for a more experienced player to get a FA as i believe youve learnt your lesson by paying as a newbie .

( Ive hopefully learnt my lesson lol).

I dont believe that the more experienced dedicated players should be penalized by the rising amounts of the never ending money grabber we all know as shady.

C'mon what has the guy got to spend his money on. :)



Jojo
Jojo
Old Shoe

Dec-16-2007 14:16

I'm with SS on this one.

False accusations are one of the most important parts of this game, and Shady is an integral part of false accusations.

Don't change Shady!


In short: NO!

Stooby
Stooby
Well-Connected

Dec-16-2007 14:40

A whole lot of great comments and to clarify my post I'd much rather things not change. There needs to be some threat so an unlimited Shady is much better than a capped Shady. Getting rid of the resurection may be a little harsh but it'd spice things up. I quite like that idea.

miss guided
miss guided
Well-Connected

Dec-16-2007 14:45

Yes Shady is an impotant feature of this game, but hey he is an extortionist. He should be locked up and the key thrown away, failing that he should be capped.

I believe, ........... Still ............... that the bigger players in this game should not be paying the over priced fees, which continuously rise with every case they play and by golly they play alot.

IF they have an FA it is not due to their inexperience but I feel that the amount of RL hours it would take to get the money is asking more of people who have put so many hours in already.

These people are genuine in their request and are of a great help to the less experienced players with time and money and to the agency's they may be in .

Make their Xmas................... Give them a break (Please)

miss guided
miss guided
Well-Connected

Dec-16-2007 14:47

Some people just cant make up their minds can they!!

Johnny Rocket
Johnny Rocket

Dec-16-2007 15:51

Im all for a cap, wouldnt want to be paying the dodgy character all my hard earnt money, would much rather help other newer people out with it.



LauraVo
LauraVo
Battered Shoe

Dec-16-2007 15:59

I'm for a cap.

By the time your pay off to Shady is even over $250,000 you have spent enough time in this game to no longer be considered "inexperienced". I would even argue that by the time you cross $100,000 in FA charges you are no long "inexperienced". And let's be honest if you have reached even the $250,000 level for pay offs and you opt to retire your detective you probably are doing it intentionally.

Ultimately I think that the payoffs can make the game stressful if you do not readily have the funds to pay it off and that is a bigger detraction from the game. It is only reasonable to have a cap.

Plus I think there are more interesting ways of penalizing someone for FA's, such as making the detectives have only the first levels of cases available after an FA and have to accrue 100K of experience, (additional), to get back to AI. (That would make you be extra cautious during a villain hunt). Or making you randomly lose one contact because you falsely accused a friend of theirs and ruined their reputation. (You would have to work favours again and get another contact).

There are loads of possibilities, and let's be honest - 1 million is a lot of sleuth money. (Heck, it's a lot of real money for that matter.) And as far as the Sleuth "economy" where exactly is Shady spending that money that puts it back into circulation? I think too there are things that people value more than sleuth money, which is why Roamie with a ridiculous amount of experience doesn't keep it around and hoard it. (I'm guessing, I've yet to converse with Roamie let alone to survey him about his sleuth financial decisions and how much he values certain goods.)

Thank you.

Jesse Hunter
Jesse Hunter
Bibliophile

Dec-16-2007 23:05

I'm in favor of the cap. I think FA's are much more of threat to the more inexperienced players. No matter how often the rules of evidence are posted, there will always be those who jump right into the game and wind up having to visit Shady. By the time anyone reaches $1,000,000 they should have learned their lesson.

If there must be a bigger punishment for those who push their luck, let it be based the number of times a sleuth has to visit Shady, not merely high experience. Or utilize any of the other forms of punishment mentioned in this thread.

Breitkat
Breitkat
Pinball Amateur

Dec-17-2007 00:21

It's interesting....When I first saw the title of this post, my first thought was that Admin was selling some new hats with Shady embroidered on them for merchandise. No caps, huh? Rats. Oh well....

It's also interesting to me how many people are seemingly coming out of the woodwork to say 'no' on the price maximum idea for Shady (again, my perception there). Over the time I've been here, this has been one of the most controversial, and in some cases, reviled, issues that there's been. There's been two 'resets' of the shady system that I know of, one in my time. They haven't seemed to last all that long. Within weeks, prices were back up in the stratosphere again, and people were asking, begging, pleading, and crying for help. There's been lots of suggested solutions, but this is (to my knowledge) the first thing to come from Admin that looks like it might be something along the lines of a somewhat-permanent solution (again, my perception here).

As I see it, if the cap ISN'T implemented, there's several other possibilities. One, the Shady system can be reset again, and possibly on a regular basis. Of course, I'm not sure how much of a permanent solution this is, but it IS an option.

Secondly, the formula for calculating Falses can be redone. This has been mentioned both recently and in the past, and it does have merit. But for those who have proposed it, I wouldn't go doin' cartwheels anytime soon. If this does get implemented, Admin's not about to go choosing one of the formulas mentioned on the boards; they'll simply come up with their own proprietary formula, just like they did with the original one. And I doubt the rate's gonna be as low as people have requested. Again, it's an option. How useful it will be and efficient at solving the current problem is up for debate.

Third, there's the possibility of doing a general price freeze for all detectives, ie.--the price you have now, regardless of your status or experience is the price you would pay.

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