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Delvin
Delvin
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Oct-25-2004 11:41

Everyday, the treasure hunts seems to be a "top 10 agencys" contest. Both in terms of participation and winning. It is always the same agencys competiting. A few smaller and newer ones may compete but they always had this partern: they are newly formed, are eager to try the hunt but after awhile when they realised they can't win, they all just give up. The hunt may be based a large part on luck but a 12 members agency with more favors surely had a better chance than a 4 members agency. For these agencys, paying for the information is as good as a donation. I was told that only winner get the fame points. So i had a suggestion: how about awarding fame points to those who had gain percentage towards the hunt too. Eg. in a 500 fame pts hunt. winner gets the full points while agency that is 20%, gain 20% of 500 divided by 4. This way, the winner still win much more pts then agency who got 80%, they win only 0.8*500/4= 100 pts. I felt this could encourage the smaller agency to play the hunt as there is a reward for it. They may not win the hunt but with the potential fame pts gain, they will want to gain pts to compete against other smaller agency. Thanks.

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DaRu
DaRu
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Nov-18-2004 19:25

PS: Reading back through my message, I stated: "A quitter never wins and a winner never quits," and if it hadn't of been for my health, regardless of the amount of cases or load, I would have stuck it out and never quit. For sure, after all the hard work in trying to reach the top and finally reach 7th place. If I had of known that I could have put Lone Wolf up for auction, which Ben said only one agency he knew of had done this before, I would have done that to keep Lone Wolf on the board, but I didn't know this before we dissolved it and lose those beautiful trophies we had won...(DaRu sadly wipes the tears from her eyes, as she continues typing)well, what's done is done, but in my heart....LONG LIVES LONE WOLF. This is to all of the new small and large agencies, YOU CAN DO IT TOO.

Moonshh
Moonshh
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Nov-18-2004 19:40

I still think the lost library book, lost keys, lost dog, etc. would be fun for agencies with new people, fewer people, fewer points, whatever. And sure, win ribbons for the trophy case! And toss in a few fame points, perhaps. (That's controversial, I know)

And I encourage new people to join existing agencies! You can learn an awful lot that way, and many agencies (including ours!) are often looking for eager players. I'm a director now, sure, but that is relatively recent. I would have had far less of an idea of what to do to be a good director (which I think I am, she said modestly), if I had not seen Orbitrux in action from the very beginning!

We also have our newest players to thank for our recent treasures - schmunchkins, Raquel, Sebastian, Stanz and jenwin are working their tushies off!

jenwin
jenwin

Nov-18-2004 19:54

I think that Moonshh's idea for a different style of hunt is a fantastic one. When I was in a smaller agency I would have jumped at a chance to do a hunt like that. A ribbon would be a great reward!

trial
trial

Nov-18-2004 20:36

Hey, Delvin, no need to hide. I see a great talk here. No hard feelings, no ones mad. Obviously something needs to change, or needs to be considered. Moonshh's idea of levels isn't so bad. Put it with the growth idea, hey, doesn't sound bad at all. No advantage, just exp.

What do I know, I'm new and imaginary. I still think Delvin should come out of hidin'.

Doc Roche
Doc Roche

Nov-18-2004 21:39

I will preface this by saying that I may be a bit biased as I am in the Reapers agency, so anything I say should be construed with a grain of salt.

In regards to treausre hunts and the like. I would hate to see anyones status jeopardised by fewer hunts available to the ones who worked so hard to get there. However, I think that there is room for other options as well.

The Reapers are a very special case in which the agencies first goal is to take on newbies and show them the ropes. But the group suffers in the fact that it is mainly made up of newbies and has a much harder time finishing up hunts because of that fact.

Was it the Reaper's choice to take on newbies and sacrifice the fame to be helpful? Yes, and I think it is a noble one.

So in that light, is there room for options that do not neccesarily combat one faction against another? I am not saying that the treasure hunt should be eliminated by any means, but there could be options where an agency gets some sort of group case to work on it's own.

Granted I do not know how difficult that would be, but it is a thought. This way, the friendly competition can continue along with a group being able to work together to solve crimes as a unit without the stress of getting rocked by the big kids.

Again, just a thought. (ducks and covers) Fire away!



cfmdec
cfmdec

Nov-19-2004 00:33

Well said Doc!

jstkdn
jstkdn
Well-Connected

Nov-19-2004 02:18

Why are you guys so against building an agency that is able to win treasure hunts, like everybody else who does, did?

People are talking about some kind of an unfair advantage.

1. Every agency, including most of the top 10 had to compete with just as many agencies to get in to the top 10. With exception of Chicago and Kitten.
2. There seems to be an impression that it is easier for established agencies to recruit. This is not the case, statistics show that over the past months most new agents built their own agency (with someone else need be), or joined a new agency.
3. That it is easier to win treasure hunts with more experience points. No, absolutely not. It is about the amount of favours you get.
4. That larger agencies get more favours. True, but realistically the size of an agency says nothing about active players. Most treasure hunt winners those in and outside of the top 10 will say not all members were online were the won it. Sometimes going as low as 1 or 2 people playing, when they did. Most of the time with no more then 4-5 people playing.

Now here are the reasons why agencies win treasure hunts:
1. Tactics are used, in order to get them. Frankly without tactics, and just playing at random chance, you will not win treasure hunts. And, I think everybody should put their OWN thinking cap on as to what those tactics would be.
2. Agencies with people whom have two characters, to which they can switch back and forth to.
3. Agencies with a couple of people whom are absolutely die hard players, and absolutely relentless.
4. Agencies that manage their agency in terms of A) Who is allowed to stay and get hired, B) what goes in the equipment locker, C) what is done with finaces, D) real management is done of the agency AND the treasure hunt, E) recruit aggessively if required.

jstkdn
jstkdn
Well-Connected

Nov-19-2004 02:22

And I think we have a clear answer here why agencies win treasure hunts. Those that do will find out they do and have done all of the above, those that don't stand a chance find out that they don't.

I think we can see enough proof on the score board, that also newer agencies have a shot at winning a hunt. Ever since the beginning of Sleuth up until today.

If you want to have an easy ride, then join an agency with a director whom does the work for you. If you want to be a director, then work your agency like the directors do that do win treasure hunts.

Frankly, pride would have stood in my way as a newbie to get easy treasure hunts, not everybody was able to compete in. There is much more pride, building your own character, your own agency. Put the work and the patience in. Instead of expecting a free or cheap ride, as a new agent or agency. Then when you do get in to the top 10, you know it is labour?

Keep in mind most agencies in the top 10, have done so in 3 months or so. By doing a LOT of work.

jstkdn
jstkdn
Well-Connected

Nov-19-2004 02:29

It boils down to the same question.

What have you done, to deserve to win a treasure hunt, over the agency that did? Trust me, to win a treasure hunt is a LOT of work.

Bella Luna
Bella Luna

Nov-19-2004 04:22

Every thing jstkdn has written is on the mark running an agency and winning hunts is work, work , work. That may seem unattractive but that is a decision each one must make.I have great admiration for many of the people running and in agencies and have witnessed their struggles and rejoiced in their success knowing full well the work involved.

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