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Tale Spinner

Apr-23-2004 19:49
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So, looking at the web logs, I know that we have players here from about 30 different countries. I just thought it would be interesting to put somes names with places.

My wife and I live in Boulder, COlorado in the U.S. Where the winter has returned for the weekend. We actually moved here pretty recently from Seattle, which is my home town.


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P. Rockwell
P. Rockwell
Well-Connected

May-9-2005 14:43

Heck, I'm happy if people know Idaho from Ohio and Iowa.

freelancermountaineer
freelancermountaineer

May-9-2005 15:35

LOL. Maybe I have a little bit of a soft spot for Americans. If it wasn't for them, I'd be speaking German right now. :)

I am not a really nationalistic person. But I have always been really proud that The Netherlands was the first country that diplomatically recognized the United States as a state and country, and not part of the British Empire. We also financed the war against the British to do so.

jstkdn
jstkdn
Well-Connected

May-9-2005 15:36

Oh my god, I have a double is that allowed?
And I have one in an agency, and one that is not in that agency. OHMYGOD! hahah

MarcusAndrew
MarcusAndrew

May-9-2005 15:56

hehe jstkdn! you need to keep track of yourself! You've got lots of little clones running round! :D

Sir Kittithaj
Sir Kittithaj

May-10-2005 05:21

jstkdn, I think you misunderstood my post completely.

First of, I neither said that the Netherlands and Lithuania isn't a country, nor I said that Texas and Wisconsin is one.

Secondly, I never said that you don't know about the above facts. I know you're an educated woman, jstkdn. And I know that you know a lot more than me.

Thirdly, I didn't try to bash Americans in that post at all. The only degradatory thing I said is "SOME of them REALLY are (ignorant.)"

And you have to atmit it, although there're many self-concious Americans, there're also those who are ignorant to anything from the outside world and only care about themselves. Sometimes they even ignore their own unfavourable history. I've met them before, lots of them. That's why I stopped posting in American webboards for more than a year - I was just tired arguing with them.

On the other hand, I also met some intelligent and educated Americans - on the internet, on the news, in the books. I understand that every country has good and bad people. So, please don't think I'm trying to bash Americans as a whole here.

The point I was trying to make, however, isn't about the intelligence/ignorance of Americans at all. I was arguing about the importance of a country versus a state.

Let me reiterate myself again:

"The fact that these countries have their own culture, language, government, and a seat in the United Nations means they deserve more recognization than an American state."

See? No American bashing. No stereotype using. And I hope, no offense taken.

Of course, Texas may be bigger, more richer, more populated, than Lithuania, Faroe Islands, or as you said it yourself - the Netherlands. But the fact is, it's not a country; it's a state in the United States of America, which is a country. Although it is the home of the current US president, Texas is not recognized in international politics, while the Netherlands and Lithuania is. That, to me, is the different magnitude of importance.

Sir Kittithaj
Sir Kittithaj

May-10-2005 05:45

From my point of view, every country is equally important and deserved the same recognization, be it the USA, the Netherlands, Lithuania, Faroe Islands, or Thailand. And every state inside a country is deserved the same recognization as another state in another country. It's not wrong not knowing where Texas is as long as you know where the USA is. And it's not a shame that you can't point out where Texas is on the USA map, if you can't also point out where Bavaria is on the Germany map.

That's why I think it's not wrong for any European not remembering American states, but it's wrong for any American not remembering European countries.

And that's why I have to disagree with your on whether Lithuania or Texas deserve more recognization. In my opinion, it's wrong to think that an AMERICAN STATE is more important than a SOVEREIGN COUNTRY.

Nothing against America, nothing against the Netherlands, nothing against you, jstkdn. I am just stating my own point of view. That's all.

jstkdn
jstkdn
Well-Connected

May-10-2005 06:22

OK. No problem at all. I know you didn't mean badly.

My advise to you though, if you say some Americans are ignorant in a thread where people are from. And then state your surprise that a European defends them. Then ignorance and someones nationality are put in relation to each other.
While in fact there is no relation at all. As every country has ignorant people. So it is more a human factor, then a nationality factor.

Lets just drop this, we both stated our points.

Sir Kittithaj
Sir Kittithaj

May-10-2005 06:29

And you're a unique European indeed, jstkdn - a European that doesn't afraid to admit that her country isn't as big and powerful as an American state. Although I consider myself fiercely patriotic, I have to respect you on that self-consciousness.

I will ignore the last part of your posts concerning Thai stereotypes and personal attack, knowing that you posted it after false assumption that I'm a racist, stereotype-believing, judgmental person (of course, I'm not completely free from that, but I will try not to do it when talking with people from different culture.) A lot can be said when you're angry and I have no intention to take it to myself.

I am here to play game and, if possible, make some friends. I'm trying not to piss other people of. Arguing about politics isn't a good way to win friends after all. But sometimes I've to state my opinion on the issue and hope no one will be offended by that.

That's why in that post, after I had stated my opinion, I tried to lighten it up by making jokes and using smileys, like this. :)

I'm an opinionated Thai, which isn't a nice characteristic in my culture which places value on social harmony. I can't (and don't want to) change my self, because that's the way I am. :)

Since you have an Indonesian mother, jstkdn, I can say at least we have something in common. :)

By the way, I'm more interested in the Netherlands, or Holland, than Texas. Because I'm a history freak and European obsessor, and because Holland was one of the first countries who came to trade with Siam hundreds of year ago. :)

And I said in that post I hope I didn't piss off any American. Ironically, I pissed of a European instead. :)

Sir Kittithaj
Sir Kittithaj

May-10-2005 06:35

Oops, didn't realized you're around until I posted the last comment.

No hard fellings and no offense taken, okay? :)

Let us turn this thread back to where it belongs - a thread for people to introduce myself and make friends, not a political arguement thread.

Peace.

Naners
Naners

May-10-2005 10:10

Heh.. Hi! I'm Amanda, and I am from Florida!

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