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Sarah Patrick
Sarah Patrick

Apr-18-2006 18:59

I love politics but i also love to hear other people's opinions on these important matters although i may disagree. i know it is a very controversial subject and not exactly a dinner table conversation but i feel that people need to express themselves on such matters as long as we can play nicely and not be too harsh. if i am allowed to, i shall suggest the first topic:
The Immigration Act


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Della Devine
Della Devine
Well-Connected

Apr-19-2006 23:29

sci-fi geek struggling to peek out after being buried so long under sleuthaholicism. "Brown Coats... Brown Coats... I know that reference..." Wracks brain to no avail. slips down again under fresh onslaught of sleuthaholicism.

crunchpatty
crunchpatty
Old Shoe

Apr-20-2006 00:08

DUDE, lol *PM's a bigass care package full of Stephen Harper masks, Timbits and softwood lumber to arabesque from Toronto*

OK, so I gather that in the US there are a number of congressional proposals out which will be punitive towards illegal immigrants. Presumably this has at least one group up in arms because, well d'uh, life is hard enough if you are a member of an impoverished group and since most of these so-called illegals are people of colour, throw racism into the mix too. Sickeningly, there's probably another bunch of folks who are whining about it because stemming the flow of illegals would also mean a hit to the cheap, unregulated labor upon which they rely.

(er, how'm I doing so far?)

Arabesque, you took the words outta my mouth. I'd even go as far as to say that the economy in question owes much of its clout to unwaged, let alone low waged, labour *coughslaverycough*

I think these Brown Shirts are like groups of self-appointed citizen militia who patrol the borders picking up people they think might be entering illegally, right? They 'say' they dont use violence...frickin' scary.

crunchpatty
crunchpatty
Old Shoe

Apr-20-2006 00:09

(*sniffs Squirrels bloodhound suspiciously then accuses it of canine terrorism*)

Reese Withers
Reese Withers
Well-Connected

Apr-20-2006 06:14

Looks at thread, and now, knows, why, she doesn't participate in the topic of politics. *cringe* LOL

R Anstett
R Anstett

Apr-20-2006 08:46

One of you is gonna fall and die, and I'm not gonna clean it up!
-Mal

For Arabesque

BadAss
BadAss
Charioteer

Apr-20-2006 10:03

I'm from Belgium, can someone briefly enlighten me on this Immigration act?

Unless this is a debate meant for American citizens only :)

Solve A Lot2
Solve A Lot2
Assistant Postman

Apr-20-2006 15:45

IMHO - I think the US needs to be more concerned about the jobs leaving the country. That is what is really hurting our economy.

Immigrants doing jobs no one wants cheaply, helps everybody. I do not want to pay $5 for a head of lettuce; Also, if they want to pay into our social security system and tax system, who am I to complain.

BadAss
BadAss
Charioteer

Apr-20-2006 15:51

Even though I'm not an American I think there are some general principles at stake here...

Does it really benefit an economy if there's no set of minimum wage standards and thus a negative downward spiral is created that will only bring employees in direct competition with eachother? The only ones that will benefit from that are the employers who'll relocate anyway if they can find a place that offers labour at an even cheaper rate...

Also, what kind of protection does the American social security system offer?

calalta
calalta
Well-Connected

Apr-20-2006 16:00

*thinks about joining the canadian politics discussion but decides the only thing needing discussed is why the crackdown on the red mile during playoff time yet*

*quickly ignores the discussion and goes to find cfm in her corner where he knows she is avoiding this topic*

crunchpatty
crunchpatty
Old Shoe

Apr-21-2006 01:26

haha calalta...just figured out what your name means *thinks about starting a new detective called tor/ont*

*timidly waves a little itty bitty Flames flag and is promptly beaten into blue bruises by the newly fired Pat Quinn and the heart doctors he's conned into acting as his heavies*

Gawd...no one outside Canada will get that.

OK, back to politics:

"Immigrants doing jobs no one wants cheaply, helps everybody"

Everyone except the immigrants. That work is worth what it is worth, irrespective of who is doing it, and should be paid accordingly.

BadAss, I'm with you on this one, completely...the American Social security system is so insecure that in fact many are concerned it'll be out of money inside 20 years. The thing is -people in Europe, take note, then gag- politics in North America, at least as far as economy is concerned, are driven almost entirely by the singular notion that whatever looks like it will reduce consumer costs in the short term is politically ingeneous. This is coupled with an equally unique shortsightedness and sense of entitlement so big that it actually allows people here to feel justified in whining about BOTH the loss of local jobs AND the cost of goods and services.

what this means is that here, competition between employees, unregulated wages and relocation (if it reduces end costs to consumers) actually tend to be embraced. More so in the US, but in Canada too.

lol, welcome to New World Politics 101.



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