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R Anstett
R Anstett

Feb-12-2006 17:59

The time is here to start invitations to Mojo Enterprises.

http://www.geocities.com/sleuth.mojo/home.html

This is a group effort by several detectives to create a fun, helpful and competitive enviroment for people to participate in.

We welcome you to look over our guidelines, our code of conduct and mission statement.

To show that we want to help everyone we are also posting for the first ime in public some (not all ;) ) of Mojo's hunting guidelines.

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Colonel Shanty
Colonel Shanty

Feb-17-2006 19:26

From where I am standing, I am taking a neutral side of this war and making sure everyone is at peace. The interlude somewhere up there was not meant to upset anyone, and now I've been receiving dozens of PMs complaining about my supposedly injust act. Well, I give out my sincere apologies to Maddie Hayes -- I was probably wrong to include the interlude anyway. I feel like I was a puppet in Ran's hands. A mere messenger boy with no life. I was foolish, and now I am taking the stand. I am the neutral one, and I don't want to side. I'll avoid embarassing myself again in this heated, heated, heated HEATED debate.

This is the beginning of a war, I can see it. How much more quarrelling are we going to take in? We've had strong opinions throughout this debate, and many were well supported with reasonable thoughts.

How many will leave this game if alliances and enterprises of agencies will take over the atmosphere?

Will this become the next Utopia?

Coco Cola
Coco Cola
Well-Connected

Feb-17-2006 19:47

I'm from Moonlighting, I can't speak personally for what Maddie posted but I would like to say the following.
Mojo's has obviously got a bunch of people dedicated to the game. Ben has posted previously that bringing in outside detectives and out side agencies is not cheating.
They are entiled to do this if they wish and do, and so is anyone else.

However as far as I can tell most don't and I don't think this is because they haven't seen the possiblites. Seems the reason is some think it is unethical some think it would kill the community. These are all indvidual points of view .

It does potentialy cause a monopoly on winning treasure hunts, the figures previously mentioned on recent hunt wins show no advantage, there are most likely other figures on periods of time before the rule of favours being unable to enter an agency, that show something else, I dont know.
But it logialy follows from figures mentioned that yes there would be an advantage, I don't think we need to kid ourselves there and as I said there is no rule against taking that advantge.

Personaly I would'nt want to do it and seem to be the majority view this does not mean I'm right.
I cannot see how it would improve the enjoyment of the game if a few big agencies were running the show. I'm thinking I may have been a bit intimidated if that is what sleuth was when I loged in the first time.
My main concern though, on this issue is the bad feelings and rifts it seems to have already caused just talking about it.

Is that what killing the community is?

Arabesque
Arabesque
Old Shoe

Feb-17-2006 21:48

I am beginning to wonder if I should have responded to this thread in the first place.

I've been getting PM's, and people have been quoting me as representative of "the little guy."

I truly and honestly respect each and every one of you. I have had people PM me who are pro alliances and people who are con, and without exception, each has been gracious, respectful, and thoughtful.

And so I wonder about this community, about this game. I stumbledupon it in November, joined an agency under another name (Antimony), resigned, started a new detective, and a new agency with a friend. Not necessarily because I wanted to be competetive, but because I enjoyed the game so much, I wanted to share the experience with others--to maximize their enjoyment of the game by providing whatever advice and equipment I could. I have never been a "gamer," so my enjoyment of this game took my by surprise. I have thoroughly enjoyed the Sleuth experience.

Then Ran posted about Mojo Enterprises. I and others added my two cents. People felt liberated--look, others feel the same way I do! And post by post, things seemed to have disintegrated. It's Mojo against the world now, Bad Guys vs. Good Guys, Borg vs. the Federation.

Listen: I don't think Mojo is an Evil Empire. I have PM'd with Ran, and I know, I *know*, his intentions are good. He has proposed new regulations regarding agent-swapping among affiliated agenices, i.e., not allowing new agents to participate in hunts for X number of hours/days etc. Is this enough to ensure that no undue advantage is gained? I don't know. I am thinking that maybe the whole alliance thing has been blown out of proportion. Being relatively new to the game, I don't know whether Ben responds to these kinds of things quickly, or whether he hopes that the agents will work it out themselves. But I have an idea:

Arabesque
Arabesque
Old Shoe

Feb-17-2006 21:57

What if we Sleuths, who love this game, who are proud of the game and its community--what if we made our *own* code of conduct? Ben may have invented this game, but its community has made it what it is. I have honestly never seen anything like it, and I hate what this issue is doing to everyone. There aren't any rules about this--it seems to fall into a grey area. Mojo seems more than willing to comprimise. Are anti-alliance people also willing? I am. I think we can come up with a written code of conduct regarding agencies that most of us can agree on, without having Ben lay down the law, as if we were a bunch of unruly schoolchildren. His silence so far is indicative that he'd like us to figure it out on our own.

Maybe I'm naive to think that this is possible, but hell, I've had a couple drinks, and I'm feeling wacky. What say you?


cfm
cfm
Nomad

Feb-17-2006 22:37

*pulls up a chair next to Arabesque and hopes they get they can have a proposal ready when Ben returns from his 'vacation'*

Peter Gunn
Peter Gunn

Feb-17-2006 23:40

His silence could also mean that's he's been really really busy getting ready for his trip, they were supposed to be in Amsterdam tomorrow.

reda
reda
Well-Connected

Feb-18-2006 00:16

OK I was silent for long time but keep getting PMs asking me to read this. Since this is a very very long thread I might missed something, I appologize if I repeat anyone.

This disscusion should not be about Mojo or anyone in it! Mojo is working within the rules. there is no cheating here. The fact that they decided to do something others dont want or cant do, does not make them cheaters or liars. So lets leave the name Mojo out of this and just stick to the phenomen "Alliances".

Some feel it could hurt the community. I have to say Im worried about it too. So we can look into ways of preventing this from hurting the game. We can make this a general disscusion about what we want to protect. Then we can try and find set of rules that helps. If Ben will agree with them he'll implemnt them into the game.

Dont make this a personal discussion. Making new strategies within the rules can seem unfair, but is still perfectly legal.
I run a small agency and I also get fustrated when having troubles with hunts or recruting. The fact that others "solved" this problems can be annoying and make me feel "unfair". But they still didnt do anything wrong.

We need to talk about the concenrs of the community in general. Then we can see what suggestions are there to help prevent this from happening.
Ran already made some.
An old thread comes to mind too: someone suggested having seperate hunts for big and small agencies. This can help the ones who are afraid of the alliances winning all the hunts.
The problem of having community within the community I dont know how to solve. But Im sure that if we can keep this disscusion rational, someone will come up with a great idea.

Ok have to stop now GOING TO MEET BEN AND SUNNY
LOL that is why I cant type properly, I guess. But hope I made my point clear.

Makensie Brewer
Makensie Brewer
Super Steeper

Feb-18-2006 00:21

I have sat back, since my last explosion, and listened to everyone. Now, since Coco Cola mentioned it, I must say, I agree. It isnt the alliances, or Mojos that you claim, thats killing the spirit of the community, it is this constant, and redundant bickering and small jabs here and there, that is killing the community. Cant you see the wall thats coming up between us all?

Yes, at first, I was guilty of not knowing when to keep my mouth shut, I will probably always be guilty of not knowing when to keep quiet because that is who I am. A person who is passionate with how I feel, as we all seem to be.

After sitting back and watching tho....the subject at hand is no longer the cause of the problem. It is the people within, from everywhere.

After giving an opinion, and I am including myself here, any more made after that, seems as an attack and a repeat anyways, of what was already said. Yes, I did do that too....I'm a very loyal person to the agency I belong to...I love Mojos and the people within, and sometimes I cant help myself. Ok, Im guilty, 100% ......BUT after watching everyone, this has just become a battleground between everyone.

It is best, myself included, once again, to let Ben make his final say, and make the decisions and the changes. When that happens? So be it, whatever it may be. Whether it is for what we want, or against what we want, we will have to accept it, deal with it and move on. I know this subject will nevergo away,but hopefully all this heated discussions will end.

I miss the community that felt like one big happy family. That is whats made Sleuth so wonderful. Now, sides are forming, feelings are being hurt, anger is rising, and causing hard feelings.....and it ISN'T because of Mojos, and alliances......it is the repeated bickering.

There is more drama, and stress in Sleuthville, than there is in real life and that's sad! *more*

Makensie Brewer
Makensie Brewer
Super Steeper

Feb-18-2006 00:21

Mojos is an honest, and wonderful agency......just as every agency out there is. Hopefully, when it's all said, and done, everyone can mend, and begin being what we all always have been.........friends!

Sam Average
Sam Average

Feb-18-2006 00:50

*applauds* The community seems to be working things out for itself.

Just on a side note. Aren't there already communities within communities. Aren't single agencies technically and alliance of players working together? But that doesn't seem to stop people within agencies associating and having fun with people outside of their agency.

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