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R Anstett
R Anstett

Feb-12-2006 17:59

The time is here to start invitations to Mojo Enterprises.

http://www.geocities.com/sleuth.mojo/home.html

This is a group effort by several detectives to create a fun, helpful and competitive enviroment for people to participate in.

We welcome you to look over our guidelines, our code of conduct and mission statement.

To show that we want to help everyone we are also posting for the first ime in public some (not all ;) ) of Mojo's hunting guidelines.

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Makensie Brewer
Makensie Brewer
Super Steeper

Feb-15-2006 08:54

*puts a lock on the door so she cant enter this discussion anymore* *walks out screaming in frustration at all this nonsense thats going on* *kicks the trash can,knocking it over* *looks down at shoes* damn, strong shoes! *smiles, then remembers she is frustrated, and starts screaming again* Where is cfm's punching bag, when I need it? :)



jstkdn
jstkdn
Well-Connected

Feb-15-2006 09:24

I don’t think it is fair that this is a discussion about Ran. I don’t know who made it in to a discussion of Ran. I don’t want to read back who started to specifically talk about Ran, instead of just mojo.

The reasons why I think this is not good for the community, actually has two sides, a game one and a community one.

Game:
Some people think playing with a super agency is dishonest (even when it is publically posted as doing so), others don’t as there are no written rules. Problem is, as long as we are not in the same line in that, we are playing games by different rules and between an agency of maximum 12 and agency with an infite number of people. So we need to reach an agreement that super agency is a good idea, or bad idea. And all abide by it, by either all of us looking to go beyond 12 or be OK that it is harder to win treasures, or we say it shouldn’t be done. I personally think it shouldn’t be done, because of competition. What aids competition is not games like that, but where there are equal sized teams. And as this is not such a huge community, the lower amount of maximum agents the more people can start an agency and have a shot. With that more competition. Also mojo has now 4 or more agencies…..for a small community they would suck up a lot of agents, who ordinarily would have started their own place. Which they won’t as there is no shot at competing. So it is going to be a few alliances competing, instead of 30+ agencies. It would sort of kill the game, but also the community of diversified agencies. We will be like McDonalds.

I think the multiple threads (some of which deleted), the consensus has been the same. The agency that does it, thinks it should be a allowed. All other agencies are not in favor of it. We see the same thing happening here.
And anyone starting an uber agency, must realize by now that a fall out affect of their actions is going to be.....upset people.

Makensie Brewer
Makensie Brewer
Super Steeper

Feb-15-2006 09:25

Arab - you see it however u want. I wasn't saying for everyone to mind their own business. I'm smart enough to know that when something is discussed in public, it becomes everyones business. I was just saying that, I dont see why everyone is getting all bent out of shape about this. I was a Director of a successful agency, until it slowed down. I didn't worry about who was forming alliances, and I did not feel threatened by another agencies success or I was never jealous of an agencies success.

I'm a person that doesn't get wrapped up in what others do or how they do things. If it works, go for it (Im like that in real life too) Everyone else has that option to do the same. Dont bash an agency because of what they do to get at the top. Mojos is a fair, honest agency....and I thought that even when I wasnt IN Mojos. This not fair, fair thing is crazy. Mojos aren't cheats, and what is being implied by this "not fair" comments, is that Mojos are cheats. That is 100% wrong. Im IN Mojos, and believe me, we work hard...and we do it with fairness. It's too bad that Mojos success is leaving a bad taste in everyones mouth.

Even tho I disagree with all this big fuss thats going on, I want everyone to know that I respect others opinions, and dont want anything I said to come between the friends I have here :) You are being direct on your opinions, and so am I.

jstkdn
jstkdn
Well-Connected

Feb-15-2006 09:26

Tactics always make me smile. Those agencies that are serious about hunting, all have a tactic that works. And lets be honest, the best tactic is quite easy to work out. We can assume this to be true, otherwise people wouldn’t want to change tactic in to a direction where the only solution to be the best is to have more players. That’s the only route left to create an advantage over all the others that also have a great tactic.

Community:
Well that this is not fun, this thread is enough proof. It already causes fighting. It’s not fun for mojo or anyone else. It is already causing people to be upset. It is already causing agencies to stop hunting (reason: why bother.) It’s already causing people to think that they don’t need to bother with trying to build an agency. Alliances will kill a community. Not when some people hang out more with others necisarily. But it is part of being an official member of a club or not, where others can’t join, unless they work with the alliance. If mojo has 4 agencies or more, then they get to be 50 or more people….that’s in my eyes an upset balance in a small community like ours. I mean I get along great with a lot of mojo people, but if I just want to step in to other peoples shoes who want to become part of the community and have a sense of belonging.

I am all for helping other agencies and the community. We have message boards and a newbie lounge and possibility to paste tutorials. I don’t think mojo has something special to offer in terms of friendliness, I don’t know of any unfriendly agency. All agencies train their newbies, help each other, make friends, play and talk together. That’s the awesome thing about sleuth, there are not only 1 or 2 friendly agencies. I don’t think Sleuth would be more or less friendly and nice with alliances. In fact, considering the sentiments expressed here....

Makensie Brewer
Makensie Brewer
Super Steeper

Feb-15-2006 09:40

I don't think Mojos was saying they are the only agencies that help (unless you read something I didn't) BUT Im done with this subject. This is something that could keep going on and on and on, and in the end, be right back where it started from. Which is disagreement. Agree to disagree

jstkdn
jstkdn
Well-Connected

Feb-15-2006 09:54

Sadly agreeing to disagree is not so much a solution. Nor is trying to close off a discussion, because mojo doesn't like to have discussion against something they do. I can understand this is uncomfortable to hear, and you want this thread to be over.

Agreeing to disagree also means, keeping things the way they are now, keeps this process and train rolling, and accepting that a lot of people disagree with this process or practice. Considering there are people posting from different agencies against this, it's even already a majority. I am really wondering why it is worth it, to upset so many people. If you want to continue the way that you do, then you should do so, then do accept that you are doing something a lot of people don't find of benefit to the community and feel you are ruining their good time.

Blueberry Hill
Blueberry Hill
Lucky Stiff

Feb-15-2006 09:57

I think Jstkdn has summed it up quite nicely.

R Anstett
R Anstett

Feb-15-2006 10:04

I am going to break my word here and speak up then go back to being quiet for the rest of the day on this thread. I will respond to everything else later on but have one point to make. This thread is not over for me yet, and there are several other ones in the sleuth chat area I am very interested in also.

I am not proposing to change anything here with this. I am not uncomfortable with this at all.

This is all out in the open for disussion because I wanted it discussed. You do not have to agree or disagree with me, with any member of Mojo or the rest of the sleuth community.

This process will continue you are correct JST. I have proposed several rule changes to help keep balance.

I will continue along this path. The genie is out of the bottle now, just because some people do not like the direction does not mean it will not happen.

There is one person here who can make changes in the rule set to rebalance things. I am sure he will read over all of this, and listen to those who make reasonable requests. Obviously he did make changes not too long ago when people complained about importing favors. This is another circumstance where he will have to step in and make a statement about what the new rules will be.

Makensie Brewer
Makensie Brewer
Super Steeper

Feb-15-2006 10:06

Well hey majority rules right? *claps hands * I dont mind hearing opinions different than my own, and if u feel im "ruining your good time* consider me gone from the community. Wouldnt want to be a spoiler. Atleast in the public community. This is a pathetic and boils down to jealousy. Goodbye!

Lady Emerald Devon
Lady Emerald Devon
Nomad

Feb-15-2006 10:22

I don't think it boils down to jealousy. I think people are afraid that the spirit of the game may be ruined through alliances. It isn't all to do with hunts- wich other agencies are doing quite well in.

I think the anti side of alliances is that you create more divisions and there is more chance for people to feel left out or excluded.

I have played games where more and more people stopped playing because it was a horrible atmosphere due to alliances and the like.

I think of people see this as blowing up and destroying a community they love.

I am fully supportive of Mojos and not jealous. I was happy for you all when you got your 100th.

I do think that the agency is great and supportive in helping everyone.
I just don't see why there needs to be alliances.

My concerns are not about hunts or treasures.

I am sorry I started this and have made you angry but I also feel like I just said what some others had been thinking and feeling.



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