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Feb-12-2006 17:59

The time is here to start invitations to Mojo Enterprises.

http://www.geocities.com/sleuth.mojo/home.html

This is a group effort by several detectives to create a fun, helpful and competitive enviroment for people to participate in.

We welcome you to look over our guidelines, our code of conduct and mission statement.

To show that we want to help everyone we are also posting for the first ime in public some (not all ;) ) of Mojo's hunting guidelines.

Feb-15-2006 07:19

I do not mean to put words in anyone's mouth.

I am stating my opinion on how I interpret what you are saying to me.

To the point of validation I am the only one here who has said that we should not have the high score boards if they do cause this much disention. I feel good about my contributions to sleuth overall and to Mojo in particular.

Leddy you say the things we posted are well known by everyone anyway. Then why do people think that Mojo practicing these ideas is unfair?

I would like very much to have more agencies join in with us to work together. You know that I have worked hard in private to help out other agencies and done what was asked of me. I do not think it would be a good precedent to immeadiately have a group of agencies swamp the community. That woud lead to the us verus them aspect of your problem.

The idea of creating communities within communites is part of sleuth. That is what agencies currently are. Small insular islands in the overall sleuth community. I am only trying to help those smaller groups work together to help everyone enjoy things more.

But perhaps I am just wrong on this. I will be quiet and try to do what I have been doing and give others a chance to speak out. I will go make one new thread for some thoughts on changes to agencies and then remove my self from the boards here for a bit.

Feb-15-2006 07:24

I dont really see the big deal of what Ran did. He is a supportive detective/Director...even to people who arent in Mojo's or associated with them.

I disagree that he or Mojos is ruining anything in this community. Even when I wasn't apart of Mojo's, I saw him/them as nothing but supportive and helpful.

Everyone has their own way of doing things and in my opinion, forming alliances, isn't shutting anyone out. It never bothered me when I was Director of BCD. I never felt threatened or shut out. I just worried about what MY agency was doing, and not what others were doing. :)

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Feb-15-2006 07:35


I think that having many agencies is unfair as I have told you numerous times. I also told you that I do agree that agent rotation for hunts/cases/favours ect is unfair and though guilty of it myself, that I thought Ben's solution was fair and just.

It was the whole storing favours ect was what I was talking about as common knowledge.

I also feel that Arabesque's response was exactly what I was talking about.
I don't see how what you are doing adds to the community as a whole.
And it seems like you're not actually trying to "help those smaller groups work together to help everyone enjoy things more." but create an uber Mojos.

There are ways to help agencies by letting them do things by themselves.
And agencies, like I have stated before, have, do and alwyas will help other smaller agencies. Other feel they can do this without creating a "syndicate".

And I do agree with Mak that you are a supportive Director/Detective and perhaps I should just worry about my own agency however like I have stated I am merely stating my concerns. I have nothing against you personally or Mojos.

Feb-15-2006 07:35

Everyone is making a mountain out of a friggin mole hill....and as somene who used to be in another agency, Ran IS right ,that he has always been helpful and he shouldnt be made to feel that he hasnt. I can vouch for the fact that what he says is true...because he always gave advice to me when I was director of my own agency, and I think its just idiotic for anyone to look down at what he did. Its not killing anything and if it would make anyone feel shut out, maybe its their own insecurities causing that,NOT him or Mojos.

Guess some things should just be left private within an agency.

Noone is pushing anyone to form alliances but if agencies want to, that should be THEIR choice and shouldnt be looked down upon for doing so!

Feb-15-2006 08:02


I have kept quiet because this is the recruiting board, but I do not think it is in good spirit of the game to have giant agencies. The fact that during a multi city hunt, as the smaller agencies must balance and juggle their cases because of traveling expenses, Mojo can simply add in the members from the agency that is currently located in the new city thus not having to spend cases traveling. In case anyone has not looked, they have one agency per city (Mojo Jojo in London, Omega in NY, The Closers in Shanghai and The Shire in Delhi) and currently have 27 members plus the 11 people in Old Fogies with Stogies and what ever is left of Behind Closed Doors.

The idea of making agencies bigger or having satellite agencies in other cities has been brought up several times in the general feeback thread, yet Ben has not implemented that. I believe that is a good thing. Most agencies struggle to find members anyway. How can any agency of 8-12 people compete with the mega agency of Mojo Enterprises?

I do not think any agency should have more than the 12 members it is allowed. If you are having problems with people staying active, then replace them. Not move them to a side agency to be used later.

*more*

Feb-15-2006 08:02

The only way to compete would be to form other mega agencies where a group of smaller agencies join up to fight Mojo. I do not see that as being anything but an ‘us verses them’ situation. I believe that agencies should stay separate. They should make it on their own. Everyone can learn by either asking for advice, (not being incorporated) or by trial and error. All the members of this community are bright enough to learn how to play and become effective at the cases and the hunts by simply playing. The more work they put into it, the better they will become.

I totally agree with Arabesque. She has stated exactly why it is not fair or in good spirit of the community to have mega agencies. You will end up pushing out the smaller agencies and turning people away from the game as a whole.

Feb-15-2006 08:37

Makenzie, it seems like you're stating that we should all just mind our own business and never mind about what Mojo is doing. But Ran was the one who made the OP, and we're just stating our opinions about what's going on. I don't think that's prying into Mojo's business, since that business has just been made public. I think it's fairly clear that we all respect Ran as a director and as a player, and that this conglomeration idea isn't malicious in itself--that's not the issue. The issue is what might happen to the game--"mega agencies", as Arabelle aptly put it--if this goes forward.

Feb-15-2006 08:54

*puts a lock on the door so she cant enter this discussion anymore* *walks out screaming in frustration at all this nonsense thats going on* *kicks the trash can,knocking it over* *looks down at shoes* damn, strong shoes! *smiles, then remembers she is frustrated, and starts screaming again* Where is cfm's punching bag, when I need it? :)

Feb-15-2006 09:24

I don’t think it is fair that this is a discussion about Ran. I don’t know who made it in to a discussion of Ran. I don’t want to read back who started to specifically talk about Ran, instead of just mojo.

The reasons why I think this is not good for the community, actually has two sides, a game one and a community one.

Game:
Some people think playing with a super agency is dishonest (even when it is publically posted as doing so), others don’t as there are no written rules. Problem is, as long as we are not in the same line in that, we are playing games by different rules and between an agency of maximum 12 and agency with an infite number of people. So we need to reach an agreement that super agency is a good idea, or bad idea. And all abide by it, by either all of us looking to go beyond 12 or be OK that it is harder to win treasures, or we say it shouldn’t be done. I personally think it shouldn’t be done, because of competition. What aids competition is not games like that, but where there are equal sized teams. And as this is not such a huge community, the lower amount of maximum agents the more people can start an agency and have a shot. With that more competition. Also mojo has now 4 or more agencies…..for a small community they would suck up a lot of agents, who ordinarily would have started their own place. Which they won’t as there is no shot at competing. So it is going to be a few alliances competing, instead of 30+ agencies. It would sort of kill the game, but also the community of diversified agencies. We will be like McDonalds.

I think the multiple threads (some of which deleted), the consensus has been the same. The agency that does it, thinks it should be a allowed. All other agencies are not in favor of it. We see the same thing happening here.
And anyone starting an uber agency, must realize by now that a fall out affect of their actions is going to be.....upset people.