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Matlock78
Matlock78

Jan-9-2006 19:49

Heya, first post so take it easy on me =)

Are there ever more than 3 suspects on the Hard level? I was under the impression that there are only 3 up till Really Hard. If there are only 3, is it possible there is a bug sometimes? I had three solid suspects, used my research, knocked one of the three out, knocked the other one out through questioning and hair pieces. So logically, I guessed the last one. Well apparently, he wasn't it either. In fact, it was someone else that wasn't one of my three. When I find three suspects, I quit checking the rest of their alibis, I figure its a waste of questions. I'm not perfect, so I guess I could have wrote down the wrong name in my notes, but outside of that, has anyone ran across anything like this?

Thanks,

Ben Matlock *wink*

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reda
reda
Well-Connected

Jan-11-2006 03:10

Sleuth helper has some mistakes in the numbers. I Pmed naomi about it, but I dont think she got around to change it yet.
As I said Ill PM any one who wants the numbers. I just dont want to post it on the board.

Now lets take your hard case as example:
Hard level can have 7 (X) or 8 (X+1) suspects in total. That means that if you find 7 suspects you go to the Fortune teller and ask if you have them all. If you dont you know you mis one suspect on your list.
Now for the fake/no alibi. Hard should have 3 fakes. Its always 3 fakes, this number doesnt change. what does change it is the research skill. If you have that skill it will clear a suspect with a fake alibi. So you will be left with two fakes only.

Now lets say you went to the fortune and he told you you have all suspects (7). You went to research and cleared a name. Then you know you'll need to find either two ppl with fake alibi or 4 +the one from research with real. If you find that you know the other alibis without asking the alibi question.

In case you went to FT and he says you mis one suspect. You find the suspect first. So now you have a list of 8 suspects. 2 with fakes, 5 real and 1 clear by reaserch.

Is that making any sense?


reda
reda
Well-Connected

Jan-11-2006 03:13

Oh and you better check research after every new suspect. The one that gets cleared you dont need to ask alibi question at all :P

Greyling
Greyling

Jan-11-2006 03:51

I'll post the following info here in a seperate post so that it can be removed tomorrow after you've had a chance to see it as it might be considered giving too much away ;)

Anyway, back to your example with a Hard level case. What the Helper should have read is 7 (if someone has seen Hard go up to 8 let us know - I just couldn't find any on the test cases I did earlier and I only have the stats for really hard and up) suspects (sorry, I still call them all suspects although I can see the Helper calls them people) - 2 OR 3 pieces of evidence - and 4 fakes/none (this is what the Helper calls suspects).

Earlier on each level always had the same number of suspects, i.e. X, with a fixed number of real and fake/none alibis, and a fixed amount of physical evidence. This has later been changed so that the number of suspects and/or pieces of physical evidence on a given level can vary. But the number of suspects only varies by a possible +1 from the "original settings" with each level still having a fixed number of suspects with fake/none alibis and a varying number of suspects with real alibis, which is the reason for the possible X+1. However, a few levels still only have X number of suspects and not the optional X+1 - I thinks these are Hard and Almost Impossible, and maybe Intermediate although I'm not willing to bank on it :)

Greyling
Greyling

Jan-11-2006 03:57

Oops, seems I was too slow at typing it up - *lol* - but what's worse is that Reda and I don't seem to agree on the numbers - *LOL* - poor Matlock, if you weren't confused before, I'll bet you are now :D

Greyling
Greyling

Jan-11-2006 05:57

Of course it's always the last case you check. So yes, I'll happily go along with the 7 OR 8 suspects on Hard, but there are 4 fake/none, one of which will be ruled out by research :)

Oh, and Intermediate goes by X and X+1 as well, so I'm almost sure Almosts do too although it's been a while since I've counted suspects on that level :)

Greyling
Greyling

Jan-11-2006 06:54

Just to round off my all babbling Almosts go by X and X+1 as well - so the thing I said earlier about a few levels still having just X is not true, they all have the option of varying between X and X+1 :)

mave nave
mave nave
Old Shoe

Jan-11-2006 13:20

I've found that it's best to do the easy cases and then get a chance at the favours. The more experience points you get will make you do harder favours...

Greyling
Greyling

Jan-11-2006 14:46

Mave, I think it might not be the higher experience as much as it's the number of successfully completed favours that makes you advance to a higher favour level. Without putting my head on the block, I think you advance to a higher level after 10 solved favours on a given level :)

Moonshh
Moonshh
Well-Connected

Jan-11-2006 14:52

I agree that is the number of favors at a given level that you complete that increases the difficulty of the favor. I knew someone once who had pretty high experience but whose favors were not at incredibly hard yet. That was because she kept quitting favors in order to pick her PE contact.

Matlock78
Matlock78

Jan-11-2006 15:21

Great responses!! I think it cleared it up for me. Reda, if you could PM me those numbers, that would be a great deal of help to me.

The deal about the fortune teller I didn't know about. I have given her $20 a few times and I get the same response. I'm not quite sure what the response is, but I don't remember it helping me at all. Maybe I'm doing something wrong or looking at the wrong thing.

I think I understand now what might have happened. I think I might have researched before I found all the suspects. It would explain why my none/fake would be a little off when using research before I found the +1. At least from my understanding I think that is what has happened with me. Now I know(I think, haha) how to keep this from happending again =)

Thanks for all the tips and help ya'll!! Now if I can just find Tyler I might be allright...haha.

Matlock

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