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Gears to get for Tough + Charm skills
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Joseph Zeo
Joseph Zeo
Tale Spinner

Aug-23-2009 17:45

Considering that I'm still considered newbie to many real real veterans, I consider this question fitting to this section :-)

I guess I should prepare the gears ahead of time, as I'm planning to get judge of character and the charm skills next. I am currently using all the tough gears for my tough skills. When i have both Tough+Charm, what gears should i be getting?

I see that most people just stick to gears fitting their original skill sets; do you change when you use the other skills? wouldn't that be hm, very troublesome? (i'm lazy and hates changing around, besides, you can only do that in up to two cities- your own apartment and your agency, unless you wanna lug your apartment around...)

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Sleuth Sindy
Sleuth Sindy
Pinball Wizard

Aug-25-2009 12:31

Joseph

If you are told a suspect is more susceptible to charm, even though you are equipped with all tough gear, then it doesn't matter what gear you are wearing to question that suspect.

The gear you are wearing is not as important as the percentages. If you are wearing tough gear, but your figures come out 75% chance tough and 123% charm, then you want to use charm and don't need to change gear.

You would want to change into charm gear if your chances are 75% tough and 77% charm to bump your chance with charm to over 100%.

I may not have understood your post correctly - if not then just ignore everything I have said. :)

Joseph Zeo
Joseph Zeo
Tale Spinner

Aug-25-2009 17:41

Thank you both. You have answered my question. (and thanks Sleuth Sindy for letting me know what JoC is like, i have no idea that it's a percentile). I think the bottom line is, if i may conclude, that the use of gear in comparison with the skill sets is less significant.

I guess in the future (if i VH a lot), i 'll keep a set of charm gear just to get a feel of which is better, but for now i'll just concentrate on getting the skills. If anyone have opposite views please feel free to post to let us know what your perspective / experience is. Thank you again everyone for answering my questions.

Guiltfinder
Guiltfinder
Battered Shoe

Aug-26-2009 00:41

It is a very good question indeed.
It is true that there is a lack of VH gears offering tough+charm abilities at the same time so if you wish to wear gear coming from the Prince then you are left without other option than to go one way or change gear (it is imposible and too much time consuming).
My choice is to wear simple gear (the one i use now) and go for both directions at the same time with excellent results and very low clams. Try them and you will see that they work great. They offer Tough 10, Smart 2, Charm 16

Joseph Zeo
Joseph Zeo
Tale Spinner

Aug-26-2009 18:33

Yes Finder, i think that's originally the plan of the game as it offers us "both ways" gears on AI level cases. Then the game expanded and gave us the prince's gears. Donning both-ways gears is theoretically sound because it gives you an overall total of +28 adjustment, which is higher then donning prince's gears (since the one-sided negative adjustment will pull the overall total down).

When you always use the 'right' tough/charm skills to grill suspects/townies, with the minimum of +10 adjustment, how often do they clam on you? Would a strong one sided adjustment give us a better chance? (sorry i am full of questions)

Finder, i see that you haven't done any AVH. I wonder how well your strategy will work on one... I am thinking of trying it out when it's time... but i still have some way to go though. If you decided to do AVH let me know how many quits you have on average in one villain hunt. Also, if anyone who VH and dons both-ways gears, please let me know how that work for you too. Thanks!!

Sleuth Sindy
Sleuth Sindy
Pinball Wizard

Aug-27-2009 11:51

Joseph

I always do VH's with what I have on now, which totals:

+27 Charm, +1 Smarts, -4 Tough

I get a clam so rarely that it's a surprise when it happens. Of course, you have to complete several VHs before you accumulate enough uber gear to get those stats, but this works admirably for me. I have a Becoming Evening Gown which will push my status to +31 charming, but then I get too many unidentified pieces of PE because I'm -4 Smart.

However, that is me and I realize different players have different experiences. For instance, Surveillance almost always, I'd say 85% of the time, works for me - no matter what I'm wearing. I never change into Smart gear to use it. However, I have an agency mate for whom Surveillance almost never works, no matter how much Smart gear he puts on. So, in the long run, I think you just have to experiment and find out what works best for you.

I hate it when people give me that answer, but unfortunately, it's just the truth. :)

Sleuth Sindy
Sleuth Sindy
Pinball Wizard

Aug-27-2009 11:54

Clarification:

"I get a clam so rarely that it's a surprise when it happens."

Of course, all suspects eventually clam up. I mean I don't have suspects clam up on me on the first question - before I can get their alibi and/or who they suspect.

Breitkat
Breitkat
Pinball Amateur

Aug-27-2009 20:43

A few things that might explain some things:

With Charming gear, the Flirting factor can make an incredible deal of difference. Flirting adds another 20 points (20%) onto your Flirting numbers if you're questioning a member of the opposite gender, and that will usually put the JOC over 100%. The JOC can go upwards of 150, which makes things MUCH easier for questioning people.

You had asked what was the point of even getting Charm skills. The point is that you will come across suspects and townies that will routinely work on one side of the scale or the other (Tough or Charming), and it usually doesn't matter all that much WHAT you're wearing. But if you don't have the skills, you're not going to be able to hone in on those suspects that may now be giving you problems.

I routinely wear equipment that is highly Charming, slightly smart, and low on Tough (somewhere around +25C, +1S, -3T). However, I have one city that is the bane of my existence--London. When I'm doing hunts, it ALWAYS makes my life miserable. So, for that city alone, I keep a Tough & Smart suit in my apartment. I don't always use it, but I do keep it in case it's needed.

I've heard quite a few people say that Surveillance never works for them. I've even had several people I've mentored say that. And I've come to notice that it tends to improve for many as their experience grows (the skill usually fails when they first get it, but it succeeds more and more over time).

So, having said all that, I hope I and we have given you something to think about. Good luck with the gear. Happy hunting. ;-)

Breit

Joseph Zeo
Joseph Zeo
Tale Spinner

Aug-28-2009 10:34

Thank you both Sleuth Sindy and Breit, that's really insightful. I realize that my Surveillance ability improved too, and now i don't need to change to smart gear before I tail suspects. Keeping a low +smarts number is also wise as well, since i notice the PE ID ability drops drastically once it goes negative. Sounds like i should start looking out for some smart gears... :-)

Joseph Zeo
Joseph Zeo
Tale Spinner

Aug-28-2009 10:41

i mean charm gears :-P

Sleuth Sindy
Sleuth Sindy
Pinball Wizard

Aug-29-2009 04:53

One last thought on this subject, and I realize it's probably one too many, but . . .

I DO change gear if I can when questioning Townies in order to get my stats as high as possible so I get the most answers possible before they clam and it really has saved me a substantial amount of money in bribes.

And THAT is all I have to say about that. :)

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