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All I Want for Christmas is a Shady Cap
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sunny
sunny
Lady of Shadows

Dec-15-2007 12:59

So, as you may have noticed the "Beating a Dead Horse" discussion has been archived. (A post started by Roamie about the perceived steepness of Shady prices). Be assured that everyone's opinion was read and appreciated here in the Sleuth Admin household. We would like to put an offer on the table: cap at 1 mil.

Please let us know what you think and based on your posts, we'll make a decision by Christmas morning.*

*Disclaimer:
This message is not intended to promote and/or belittle Christmas. You do not have to celebrate Christmas or any other winter holiday in order to post here.

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Lady Jas
Lady Jas
The Chosen One

Dec-24-2007 15:32

I am NOT in favor of a shady cap. Personally I think shady is fine just the way he is. When I first came to this game, I fell in love with it for the way it was. I personally like the idea of shandy always hanging over my head. It gives me the incentive to ALWAYS be careful when I play out my cases. If I'm too tired or easily distracted, I wait to play my cases. I always quit cases no matter how certain I think I am. If I don't have enough evidence based on the formulas then I don't accuse. Plain and simple. There are some that like to be resident guessers, but I am not one of them. If you always have a problem with shady or are careless then you get what is coming to you. You should pay the high prices for being careless and guessing or for being too distracted to concentrate.

I've owed quite a bit to shady in the past, and I can't say that I regret that one bit. It's helped me out a lot and put things into perspective as to how I play the game and the actions I take during my cases. Shady actually keeps me in check and is like a boundry for me. If I cross that boundry, I know I will pay the price, and quite frankly if I do cross it, I should have to pay the price....afterall it would be me that was careless and distracted in the first place, so it would be no one's fault but my own.



roamie
roamie
Well-Connected

Dec-24-2007 15:48

Merry Christmas Everyone. It will be interesting to see Ben and Sunny's decision tomorrow.

There were alot of great discussions on both sides of the topic. I must admit, some of the posts made me laugh out loud, while at least one other had me rolling my eyes and saying you have GOT to be kidding. ;-)



Sleuth Admin
Sleuth Admin
Tale Spinner

Dec-25-2007 17:40

Yay Christmas!

Alright, by our count, the aye's have it by almost a two to one margin, hemming, hawing and excessive long-windedness not withstanding.

Now, we could keep things simple and just follow the majority decision as originally promised, and cap the price at $1M. But, of course, we don't like to keep anything simple.

The original formula by which Shady calculated his price was put in place before anybody had reached 100k experience. The fairness of the price at levels higher than that was purely speculative on our part. At some point, we had to admit that the escalation of those prices got out of wack for high level players.

Similarly, the fix we put in addressed the situation for players in the 1M+ range, but we did not at the time have a good idea about how much money the average detective would have at their disposal at 5M, 10M or up.

So, I've run a semi-scientific analysis of the total assets accumulated by players with more than 5M experience to try a price that would maintain a similar amount of "pain" for a high level player, that someone in a lower experience range has to put up with for their own shady prices.

Using the results, we've decided we're going to adjust Shady's formula for high experience detectives, without adding a "hard" cap.

So, effective immediately, the price for a Shady pay-off now slows by 20% once a player passes 5M experience. That may or may not sound like a lot, but, that 20% accumulation difference amounts to a $150k lower price for a detective with 10M experience, and a $450k reduction for a detective with 20M experience.

I'm guessing that most people on both sides of the argument won't be completely happy with this, but hopefully all (or at least most) can accept it.

As for me, I've got to go sleep off the turkey dinner Sunny's dad cooked for us.



Jojo
Jojo
Old Shoe

Dec-25-2007 20:11

Thanks Ben.

Great compromise on both sides!



Treschaude
Treschaude
Washed Up Punter

Dec-26-2007 03:16

Thanks Ben for your consideration of our thoughts. I agree with Jojo that it is a very nice compromise.

Breitkat
Breitkat
Pinball Amateur

Dec-26-2007 14:45

Thank you for the present, Ben. I hope it works. Have a wonderful holiday!! ;-)

Edvard Ingebritsen
Edvard Ingebritsen

Dec-27-2007 01:33

Good compromise...now to get up to over 5 million....i think i have around umm 5 million to go....trudge

Stooby
Stooby
Well-Connected

Dec-27-2007 16:13

Erm... not sure I follow the maths, it being very late here but it sounds like a good compromise given the number of no's, the number of different ideas and the guys begging for a yes.

Ddog
Ddog
Old Shoe

Dec-30-2007 18:22

I am in favour of a cap on Shady.

I don't think there is anyone here who has a BIG score who makes FAs anymore. Yes - when you first start you make a few mistakes; you're learning the formalae & the expensive consequences of making mistakes. So I don't suppose this affects anyone at the top end of the game.

As for the beginners - they don't have $1mill. So they go through the same learning sequence we did. Loosing one's contacts is the biggest punishment. Without them you cannot truly progress in the game. Hence if they're making FAs by the time they got $1mill to spare then they probably don't have $1mill to spare!

The biggest reason I have to support the cap is as follows: There is more to a good team member than just being a good detective (though it helps). I find enthusiasm, helpfulness to newcomers and communicativeness invaluable in an agency member and, once in a while you get someone you would hate to loose for those reasons, even though they have trouble with their concentration. Yet time and again, they pick themselves up and keep trying and it is for those the cap would be a boon.

Ddog
Ddog
Old Shoe

Dec-30-2007 18:27

Ok - I should have read the end of the thread before I posted my comments - but better late than never I guess.

I'm glad some amendment has been made.

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