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Zanjana
Zanjana
Washed Up Punter

Nov-10-2006 17:12

I was just perusing the weekly high scorers (wow! you guys are amazing...) and was wondering just how it is possible to complete so many cases (200+!) in one week. By my count, 7X12 is 84, plus maybe another 4 favors per day - that still only makes 112, if you solved everything. Where are the other 100+ cases coming from?

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Serges
Serges
Vigilante

Nov-11-2006 18:46

Jas, it seems like you are suggesting that game-related discussion and debate are fruitless if they are on the message boards and not voiced directly to the game's creator.

Yes, emailing Ben would ensure that he hears your opinion. But as this is a community, and the sense of "community" is fostered by open and frank discussion about anything and everything from experience points to body parts and ponies.

I'm sorry if you feel this discussion/debate isn't worth discussing/debating in public, but everyone who has posted on this issue has shown they feel that it is, otherwise they would just lurk and not further it.

Ms Helen
Ms Helen
Con Artist

Nov-11-2006 18:48

OK guys don't you think EVERYONE has gone slightly off topic here. The thread started off with a simple question asked by someone to this. I mean no ones saying debating is bad but i mean come on this has gone way past simple debating.

Serges
Serges
Vigilante

Nov-11-2006 18:50

*also guilty of posting while others posted*

That being said, I have expressed by opinion on this, and am also backing away from the conversation. I apologize if my words or implications have offended or appeared to be aimed at offending anyone.

Jas, I will speak to you privately regarding this issue.

jasNmushu
jasNmushu
Well-Connected

Nov-11-2006 18:51

Exactly!!! It has gone way beyond debating so that's why you should email Ben.

jasNmushu
jasNmushu
Well-Connected

Nov-11-2006 18:56

Serges there is nothing to discuss with you. I have my opinion you have yours. Neither one of us will change that. However it has gotten heated, and Ben does not read the boards regularly. And many feel so strong about this issue that it obviously needs to be adressed. The best thing to do is Email Ben so he can come up with a solution to the problem.

Arabella Parker
Arabella Parker
Well-Connected

Nov-11-2006 19:53

Getting back to the beginning of this thread and the original question asked:

“I was just perusing the weekly high scorers (wow! you guys are amazing...) and was wondering just how it is possible to complete so many cases (200+!) in one week. By my count, 7X12 is 84, plus maybe another 4 favors per day - that still only makes 112, if you solved everything. Where are the other 100+ cases coming from?
That was the only way I figured it was possible, but it seems like it kinda skews the stats, doesn't it? What is the point of high scores, if they don't measure people on at least a reasonably level playing field?”

The issue is, as I see it, the level playing field. Is it a fair comparison when one person accuses on 200+ cases per week, and another only solves the 84 they get with their 12 per day being subscribed?

If it is not a good way to compare scores, what could be changed to make it better?


Arabella Parker
Arabella Parker
Well-Connected

Nov-11-2006 20:06

My opinion is the high scores do not matter to me. My enjoyment of this game is found in the friend I have made, and the achievement I have accomplished, although none show up on any ‘high score’ listing.

I do not have any answer to whether the high scores are a good comparison or if they are skewed. Nor do I have a way to change it. Because the rules do not state you can not use other detectives cases to zoom your score well past other peoples. The unwritten rules do not govern everyone’s game play style and thus differing opinions of what is right and wrong will exist.


Logan Creed
Logan Creed

Nov-11-2006 20:22

I’m not sure there can ever be a level playing field. Some people have more time, more money, and some people have simply played longer. Given that this is a game in which people have been playing for years, it seems like the best way for detectives to measure success is in personal accomplishment and in the competition against others in similar situations and with similar goals and playing styles. The diversity in playing styles this game allows is one of its greatest aspects.

Echoing a comment made by Crunchpatty earlier, high score boards really only reflect how much time individuals and agencies can put into the game. After a certain point, they no longer reflect skill level anyway.

KellyKK36
KellyKK36

Nov-11-2006 22:21

Being a fairly new player and on the top 30 list prematurely, I didn't realize how unhappy it would make some people feel. I have two detectives and I have used one to "feed" the other to "rack-up" my experience points. Not because I wanted to insult others or deceive people into thinking that I was a better player than them. It was more of the competitive nature of mine. I never saw it as unfair or unethical. In addition, I have received free cases from agents who have been either on vacation, working long shifts, computer problems, or many other reasons that they were unable to do their cases. I'll do cases on my own from time to time but alot of them are done in a "quick" fashion just to see the experience points rise. I don't claim to be the most skillful player and I guess I didn't really look at it like that. I was here to have fun and make friends. When others congratulated me, I thought they were being sincere. Not because I'm some great detective but because I have put a lot of time in. Obviously I was wrong!!! Wow, I feel like an idiot now. This is the first time since I started playing that I actually DON'T want to be here. If there were a way to take my name off of the Top 30 list, I would do it. It isn't worth what I'm feeling right now!!! I was just trying to have some fun. I apologize to those who have been offended or who feel cheated by how I have played.

crunchpatty
crunchpatty
Old Shoe

Nov-12-2006 02:38

Kelly - I'm reluctant to speak for anyone else, but you've talked about putting in a lot of time, and I think that in terms of congratulatory words from others in the community, you can take these at face value simply because we all know how much genuine effort it takes to play both your detectives' cases in a day. I'm not especially skilled at sleuthin' either and I rarely play all of my daily 12, let alone an additional 12 for my adopted character or favours for both! I very much respect the work (read: unlaziness!) represented in the fact that you do :)

There is one thing that strikes me in particular reading all of this. It's quite clear that this issue has been around for quite a while - much, much longer than I would have thought. I mean geez -Nikkie is talking about working on building experience from before there were AI cases (so clearly the whole playing field took a little shake up when the top case value went through the roof), and, if I'm not mistaken, the daily limit then was fewer too right? I'm sure I remember reading about it being 10 dailies at some point, and maybe even fewer before.

Whatever - the point I'm making is that since this is an issue that has history, someone WITH history should have made Kelly, or people in her position, aware that others might find using cases other hers and her doubles', as she says, "unfair or unethical". Community, friends and fun are, in my opinion, the driving thing here, and it's the responsibility of senior players to make junior ones aware of how different approaches might be received by others.



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