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Jan-9-2006 19:49

Heya, first post so take it easy on me =)

Are there ever more than 3 suspects on the Hard level? I was under the impression that there are only 3 up till Really Hard. If there are only 3, is it possible there is a bug sometimes? I had three solid suspects, used my research, knocked one of the three out, knocked the other one out through questioning and hair pieces. So logically, I guessed the last one. Well apparently, he wasn't it either. In fact, it was someone else that wasn't one of my three. When I find three suspects, I quit checking the rest of their alibis, I figure its a waste of questions. I'm not perfect, so I guess I could have wrote down the wrong name in my notes, but outside of that, has anyone ran across anything like this?

Thanks,

Ben Matlock *wink*

Jan-10-2006 16:53

Suspects are people on your list and can vary in number by 1 on each level.

Fake/None of your business" alibis are a fixed number and Reda knows what those numbers are. ;)

REDA, HELP!!!!!

I do believe there may be an error in the Sleuth Helper, as from memory, The Hard level should be 4 suspects, one cleared by research....but its been a long time since I've suspect counted.

Jan-10-2006 17:02

Ahhh...ok example time here if ya'll don't mind. Lets say I'm on the hard level. Sleuth Helper says "Hard 8 people 3 evidence 3 suspects" This means 3 fake/none alibis. The "X"(though I'm still not sure how or where the "X" came about) means that there are 8 people or 9(X+1). Is this correct? Or 7=X and 8=X+1? There can only be 3 fake/none alibis on this level? And this is after research has been used, or is it including research(meaning weather or not you have research).

I hope this is not the case, because I have seen on Intermediate and Hard that there are 4 fake/none alibis. Does none=fake? I have been counting it as. So I have been looking for 3 none/fake alibis on these levels. Like I said before, I could have been careless, but after it happened to me on the Hard level and I lost a case, I dropped down to Intermediate and was extremely careful and it did the same to me. Now this all happened immediately after I recieved research, so I thought this might have had something to do with it.

BTW...thanks for adding more confusion Greyling =)

Jan-10-2006 17:06

Thanks cfm =) I have been using the terminology from Sleuth Helper, which probably hasn't been helping me much here :/ I think the problem might be something in Sleuth Helper. I'm sure Reda will be able to clear it up for me =) Thanks gals/guys!!

Matlock

Jan-11-2006 02:53

Finally got around to checking the Sleuth helper - guess I've just been too set in my ways to check it out sooner, but I must say it is very nicely made indeed and a great tool to get you into the "mechanics" of Sleuth.

Unfortunately, it does, however, have a quite a few inconsistencies which is probably why you've been encountering problems recently - that you haven't come across them earlier is pure coincidence, although I can see how research would now make you stop looking for fakes/"none of your business" sooner than you should based on the information on the Helper :)

Jan-11-2006 03:10

Sleuth helper has some mistakes in the numbers. I Pmed naomi about it, but I dont think she got around to change it yet.
As I said Ill PM any one who wants the numbers. I just dont want to post it on the board.

Now lets take your hard case as example:
Hard level can have 7 (X) or 8 (X+1) suspects in total. That means that if you find 7 suspects you go to the Fortune teller and ask if you have them all. If you dont you know you mis one suspect on your list.
Now for the fake/no alibi. Hard should have 3 fakes. Its always 3 fakes, this number doesnt change. what does change it is the research skill. If you have that skill it will clear a suspect with a fake alibi. So you will be left with two fakes only.

Now lets say you went to the fortune and he told you you have all suspects (7). You went to research and cleared a name. Then you know you'll need to find either two ppl with fake alibi or 4 +the one from research with real. If you find that you know the other alibis without asking the alibi question.

In case you went to FT and he says you mis one suspect. You find the suspect first. So now you have a list of 8 suspects. 2 with fakes, 5 real and 1 clear by reaserch.

Is that making any sense?

Jan-11-2006 03:13

Oh and you better check research after every new suspect. The one that gets cleared you dont need to ask alibi question at all :P

Jan-11-2006 03:51

I'll post the following info here in a seperate post so that it can be removed tomorrow after you've had a chance to see it as it might be considered giving too much away ;)

Anyway, back to your example with a Hard level case. What the Helper should have read is 7 (if someone has seen Hard go up to 8 let us know - I just couldn't find any on the test cases I did earlier and I only have the stats for really hard and up) suspects (sorry, I still call them all suspects although I can see the Helper calls them people) - 2 OR 3 pieces of evidence - and 4 fakes/none (this is what the Helper calls suspects).

Earlier on each level always had the same number of suspects, i.e. X, with a fixed number of real and fake/none alibis, and a fixed amount of physical evidence. This has later been changed so that the number of suspects and/or pieces of physical evidence on a given level can vary. But the number of suspects only varies by a possible +1 from the "original settings" with each level still having a fixed number of suspects with fake/none alibis and a varying number of suspects with real alibis, which is the reason for the possible X+1. However, a few levels still only have X number of suspects and not the optional X+1 - I thinks these are Hard and Almost Impossible, and maybe Intermediate although I'm not willing to bank on it :)

Jan-11-2006 03:57

Oops, seems I was too slow at typing it up - *lol* - but what's worse is that Reda and I don't seem to agree on the numbers - *LOL* - poor Matlock, if you weren't confused before, I'll bet you are now :D

Jan-11-2006 05:57

Of course it's always the last case you check. So yes, I'll happily go along with the 7 OR 8 suspects on Hard, but there are 4 fake/none, one of which will be ruled out by research :)

Oh, and Intermediate goes by X and X+1 as well, so I'm almost sure Almosts do too although it's been a while since I've counted suspects on that level :)

Jan-11-2006 06:54

Just to round off my all babbling Almosts go by X and X+1 as well - so the thing I said earlier about a few levels still having just X is not true, they all have the option of varying between X and X+1 :)